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A welfare overhaul proposal

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The UBI/UBD plan is both necessary and sufficient. I would agree there is a need to assess and keep track of the people receiving it.

I would propose that after assessment, the recipient would receive an opportunity to work with a group of people in an existing company.

The company might be working on infrastructure, the service sector, in production either of an industrial or a handicraft activity.

Alternatively, a UBI UBD applicant with a very focused business plan could at some point develop into becoming the core of one of the aforesaid companies.

This can't be a one-size-fits-all scheme for the same reason that some people will need UBI and others will not.
 
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I'm not suggesting applicants will go without money until the assessment etc. is completed, but the funding will start immediately and assessment and such also.

This is not substantially different from what goes on at present.

Suppose for example you get a job in the 'defense' industry. It is government funded, and you might be working on a project, it might turn out to be a failure or it might be a great success.

The government is already in the equation on a large number of jobs.

This might be considered an extension of government power, but the difference is not significant.
 
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The point of UBI/UBD is to replace the existing slow complex inefficient patchwork that is our welfare system with something quicker, simpler, more reasonable and that does not prevent people from getting back to work.
 
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For someone with a good job UBI doesn't really affect how much money they get. The UBI money just replaces some of the tax credits and deductions we deal with at tax time, and whatever extra carbon tax and such they pay that funds UBI. The difference is the more secure feeling of knowing if they get sick or laid off their income won't drop to zero.
 
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I get the impression you didn't read the comment you replied to. If you did read it, it might be helpful to read about the logical fallacy called "begging the question."
 
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I get the impression you didn't read the comment you replied to. If you did read it, it might be helpful to read about the logical fallacy called "begging the question."

What question do you think my post begged?
 
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What question do you think my post begged?
The question of whether UBI would cause inflation. I was suggesting that with the way I suggested funding a small UBI it would not cause inflation, you didn't respond to that reasoning.
 
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... The difference is the more secure feeling of knowing if they get sick or laid off their income won't drop to zero.

I didn't notice on first reading what a good posting this is.

The chronic worry caused by income insecurity, of possibly ending up on the street one day with nothing, has a bad effect on a person's creativity, happiness, ability to concentrate, and emotional stability.

UBI/UBD would do far more for this country than throwing away the same amount (more actually) on propping up the banks and stock market.
 
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You've done a good job with the numbers, I see your point and that the current 'welfare' 'system' is not fit for purpose; it isn't well, it isn't fair, and it isn't much of a system.

By way of understanding why it is so bad, I've been wondering if the reason is because economic commentary in the media and in debates is based on an understanding of 2021 economics which has not benefited from what has been learned since 1921, and particularly since 1929.
 
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