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No, buuuuut if you were to say, "Jesus is God incarnate and everyone knows it (see Romans 1:20)", then the existence of other viewpoints would in fact pose quite a problem for your belief system.For example, If I say "Jesus is God incarnate", that statement is not rendered false just because atheists, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and Jews say otherwise.
No, buuuuut if you were to say, "Jesus is God incarnate and everyone knows it (see Romans 1:20)", then the existence of other viewpoints would in fact pose quite a problem for your belief system.
Saying it does not make it true.I wouldn't say that everyone knows Jesus is God incarnate.
I would say that which may be known of God is manifest in every person; for God has showed it to them.
Invisible things that are clearly seen? Is that an attempt at humour?
I will address this argument in a new thread.Right, and the fact that atheists exist demolishes this idea.
Not if the individual posting that Bible snippet believes that the atheist is lying about not believing in his particular version of "God".Right, and the fact that atheists exist demolishes this idea.
If God gives the unrighteous over to their desire to no longer acknowledge Him, then said people, in having been given over to the desires of their heart, may come to a point where they can say "God does not exist" without lying. In fact Paul later on in the same chapter implies this.Not if the individual posting that Bible snippet believes that the atheist is lying about not believing in his particular version of "God".
Which then follows that the same individual must believe that everyone that disagrees with his particular theology - of which I don't even have most of the details on - must also be lying. Every Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Buddhist, etc. are lying about not clearly seeing these invisible things.
What a bizarre worldview to have.
The Quran says something similar (verses 2:109 and 7:172).I wouldn't say that everyone knows Jesus is God incarnate.
I would say that which may be known of God is manifest in every person; for God has showed it to them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.
By that, you mean "unbelievers"If God gives the unrighteous
"Desire" implies intent. Do you still think belief is a conscious choice?over to their desire to no longer acknowledge Him,
Or their brain, given the dearth of evidence for the existence of gods, and how they require the tossing of virtually all of mainstream scientific knowledge. YMMV.then said people, in having been given over to the desires of their heart,
Strangely omitted from your quote.may come to a point where they can say "God does not exist" without lying. In fact Paul later on in the same chapter implies this.
Then the Bible is wrong about these invisible things being clearly seen and everyone being without excuse.So you are wrong Davian, I do not think that someone is necessarily a liar if they deny the existence of God.
Then the Bible is wrong about these invisible things being clearly seen and everyone being without excuse.
Okay.
Non-sequitur.
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