Mikhail said:
If you are not married?
Do you mean that if the Government says you are married then you are?
Look friend... I was beat over the head in the marriage forum for supporting the notion that you are about to present. They put tons of emphasis on it solidifying the union. I understood their point, it was the general recognition the state brings to the marriage not the validity. I can do my vows in my room with my "wife" in front of God... but that begs the question "Why am I keeping it a secret?"
Well he is the only one that matters... tell you what though BRO... if the government wants to take "advantage" of a situation so will I ... I am in for the tax break too.
Word.
Mikhail said:
God is the witness to the marriage covenant as he is the only one who witness' the consumation of it, saved or not if you start living together as a couple then I you are as good as married the scripture does not have defacto.
I wonder why then a certificate of divorce was given in the OT. Some form of government was in place then, it speaks of God allowing this. So even then it was part of what "IT" was. Though once again I agree with the notion you are presenting. Living together as a couple? You obviously mean sexually...unless you mean "common law"... but where I am from, christians will love this, homosexuals get that same "common law" rights...Thanks Bush. You will have to show me where living together makes you man and wife, I can wrap my mind around the sex thing biblically, but in that i case I am married to more women then I can count.
Mikhail said:
The State says you are divorced whther one part likes it or not. In most western countries the governement sanctioned marriage acts are a fairly recent thing.
Come one dude... use your theory now... if a person wants a divorce your way.. all they do is leave, its even easier, wether you and I want to agree or not the piece of paper can save a marriage as well. It is a process to get divorced, by the state through the state. Your way I get to up and leave, no paper work no cooling period. There is pro's and cons here man weigh them both out.
So do you also tell the state to shove it when the issue a divorce? Only God can end that as well.
On that note do me a favor and start a thread telling all the people in this forum there pain is a sham, cause its just a stupid piece of paper, and a stupid government and that means nothing. If you throw the humanistic part of this out the window you are negating what Jesus was.. man and God he took both roles for a reason.
Mikhail said:
There are some who are not married by Government regulation but have taken their vows before God and Witness' are they less married.
Are they more married????
If you say no then this whole conversation is pointless.
Mikhail said:
If Christians stopped asking for the State to add man's layer of authority over the Marriage then the state would not be able to Divorce them as the State has only authority over it's own Jurisdiction, you signed their marriage certificate voluntary nobody forced you to do it. Just that nobody told you that you did not have to do it.
LOL.. well I live in "their" country and submit to their authority... so I am in their jurisdiction no matter how you look at it.
So sense no one forced me I can and will take it personally that you called mine and others choice to get married in a certain way, pretty much a waste. I could see how that could be offensive to some, dont forget once again most people don't sign a paper and walk away vows are exchanged, even more so when married through the church.
Mikhail said:
What the Government giveth the Government can taketh away, whether you like it or not.
Mikhail
And what is Ceasers give to Ceaser wether you like it or not.