Quite true... but then, my faith is invested in the God whom Jesus preached, so that is only the proper outcome.The only "error" in the Holy Bible Authorized Version has to do with YOUR faith.
From post number 20 of this thread ... correct me if I am wrong, but I am sure that post 20 was made after post number 18Oh yes, though you have made assertions and statements, you still have'nt shown me a contradiction from scripture yet.
Which is the error when it comes to the gospel accounts of the events in Jerusalem during following palm Sunday? Did Jesus clear the temple on Palm Sunday, or was it the day after? (depends on which account you read) Did Jesus curse the fig tree before he cleared the temple or after? (depends on which account you read) Did the tree visibly wither immediately, or did the withering not get noticed until the evening? (depends on which account you read).
By Thunderchild. I don't have any problems with the scriptures, LightBearer.
Originally posted by LightBearer
If as you claim they contradict each other, I suggest you have some very serious problems with scripture. In fact, the comment "I dont have any problems with the scriptures" is in itself a contradiction of your veiws of the scriptures since you say they contrdict each other.
So you cant actually quote me any scriptures that you claim contradict each other. It appears then that you are just making claims and assertions.
Originally posted by smaller
You guys are kidding, right? There are many many more than these few
Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Matthew 10:28 ... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. - Matthew 26:52
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. - John 3:13 ... and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. - 2 Kings 2:11
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. - John 5:31 I am one that bear witness of myself... - John 8:18
A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children... - Proverbs 13:22 Sell that ye have and give alms... - Luke 12:33
Originally posted by spiritualscientist
etc .........
How many Christians are in this forum? How come no one has responded to this long list posted by smaller?
Originally posted by spiritualscientist
Are you a Christian seebs? I thought you were a skeptic. It appears the Christians in this forum are not firery. Fundies don't keep quiet when they see this kind of literature.
You have geralised too much by saying there are no contradictions. And just gave an example of one that has no contradiction.
At least 80% of them are contradictory. Look at this for example.
Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord... Wealth and riches shall be in his house... - Psalms 112:1-3 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. - Matthew 19:24
Originally posted by seebs
I don't see why Christianity and skepticism are to be seen as mutually exclusive. If we're talking *PROOF*, I still have "external world" and "formal logic" on the "can't get there from here" list. So, I put 'em in as axioms. After quite a bit of consideration, I added theism to the list. Eventually, I added Christianity to the list.
Mostly, we're sick of the same old repetitions over and over.
Keep in mind, some of it is a question of which things are being taken as premises. To a person who starts with "Bible is inerrant" as a premise, any alleged contradiction simply means that the Bible needs to be read more carefully, or possibly differently. To a person who starts out wondering whether or not it's inerrant, it's easy to just say "huh, this reading makes a contradiction, therefore it's contradictory". I think both views have some potential merits; I don't think people on either side are necessarily stupid, but I do think it shows a lack of clue when they attack each others' position without addressing the underlying difference in worldview first.
Ahh, but one is all I need to show that the person presenting the list didn't make even the initial sincere effort to think these things through before waving them at us; that makes it look like troll behavior.
At this point, we might actually be obliged to go looking at the context. If we read the context, it becomes clear that the issue here is not whether or not you own things, but whether or not they own you. The early church was supported by many people, some of them fairly wealthy... but, rather than seeing wealth as an end, they saw the flourishing of the church as an end, and wealth as one possible means.
Any time a contradiction depends on taking something Christ said completely literally, you want to stop and think about the *message*, because the man was famous for talking in stories, parables, riddles, and the like. I wouldn't be half surprised if He'd somehow managed to study Zen before starting His ministry.
Originally posted by spiritualscientist
But what do beattitudes say
Luke 6
20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: "Blessed are you poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.
24 "But woe to you that are rich, for you have received your consolation.
Clearly wealth has no place in the kingdom of God. It appears in the old testament wealth was a blessing. The reward for being righteous was to be wealthy. But in most Jesus teachings he has always been against wealth.
Originally posted by spiritualscientist
Look at this other error
Mathew 22
35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, to test him.
36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
37 And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
Luke 10
25 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" 26
He said to him, "What is written in the law? How do you read?"
27 And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself."
28 And he said to him, "You have answered right; do this, and you will live."
In Mathew it is Jesus who answered the question while in Luke it was the lawyer
You can't talk about context here.
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