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Not all Christians have made Jesus their LORD. Some are merely content with Him as Saviour and their fire insurance.
If someone hasn't made Jesus their Lord then they are not Christians. It's like the pregnancy thing people used to say, "you can't be a little bit pregnant." You either are or you aren't.
Sanctification is a work not of the flesh but of the Holy Spirit in a person.
That is not true. There are millions of Christians who have received God's free gift of salvation and recieve Jesus as Saviour, but it is in sanctification that a believer comes to the point of surrendering all, making Jesus his Lord.
Many believers don't make it to that point, or refuse to go deeper in Christ in total surrender. It's a process begun with a decision regarding Jesus' Lordship.
I know many Christians who have never made Jesus their Lord. That is the situation when we encounter carnal Christians.
Your argument is illogical. The defining point of being a Christian is accepting Christ as Lord. If one hasn't done that the person might be fond of Jesus, or think he was a cool teacher, or a prophet but they are not a Christian. A Christian is one who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord. All the other steps follow upon acceptance.
New Unger's Bible Dictionary:
CHRISTIAN. A Christian is a believer in and a follower of Jesus Christ the Messiah. This name is more widely employed than any other designation of those who believe unto salvation. However, it occurs in the Scriptures only three times: "And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch" (Acts 11:26); "and Agrippa replied to Paul, 'In a short time you will persuade me to become a Christian'" (26:28); "If anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not feel ashamed" (1 Peter 4:16).
The term Christian is clearly a Gentile designation for believers because the word Christ, upon which the term was constructed, suggests recognition of the Messiah, which no unbelieving Jew was prepared to do. Becoming a Christian, according to the NT, is a definite act with significant results.
According to Lewis Sperry Chafer, no fewer than thirty-three simultaneous and instantaneous divine undertakings and transformations, which collectively constitute the salvation of a soul, take place the moment one exercises faith in Christ and is saved.
Among these is that a believer in Christ has the guilt of his sins removed. Second, he is taken out of Adam, the sphere of condemnation, and placed in Christ, the sphere of righteousness and justification. Third, he is given a new standing by virtue of his being placed "in Christ" by the Spirit's baptizing work (1 Cor 12:13; Rom 6:3-4). A Christian then, as Chafer says, "Is not one who does certain things for God but . . . one for whom God has done certain things; he is not so much one who conforms to a certain manner of life as he is one who has received the gift of eternal life; he is not one who depends upon a hopelessly imperfect state but rather one who has reached a perfect standing before God as being in Christ" (Systematic Theology, 7:75).
Your argument is illogical. The defining point of being a Christian is accepting Christ as Lord. If one hasn't done that the person might be fond of Jesus, or think he was a cool teacher, or a prophet but they are not a Christian. A Christian is one who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord. All the other steps follow upon acceptance.
New Unger's Bible Dictionary:
CHRISTIAN. A Christian is a believer in and a follower of Jesus Christ the Messiah. This name is more widely employed than any other designation of those who believe unto salvation. However, it occurs in the Scriptures only three times: "And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch" (Acts 11:26); "and Agrippa replied to Paul, 'In a short time you will persuade me to become a Christian'" (26:28); "If anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not feel ashamed" (1 Peter 4:16).
The term Christian is clearly a Gentile designation for believers because the word Christ, upon which the term was constructed, suggests recognition of the Messiah, which no unbelieving Jew was prepared to do. Becoming a Christian, according to the NT, is a definite act with significant results.
According to Lewis Sperry Chafer, no fewer than thirty-three simultaneous and instantaneous divine undertakings and transformations, which collectively constitute the salvation of a soul, take place the moment one exercises faith in Christ and is saved.
Among these is that a believer in Christ has the guilt of his sins removed. Second, he is taken out of Adam, the sphere of condemnation, and placed in Christ, the sphere of righteousness and justification. Third, he is given a new standing by virtue of his being placed "in Christ" by the Spirit's baptizing work (1 Cor 12:13; Rom 6:3-4). A Christian then, as Chafer says, "Is not one who does certain things for God but . . . one for whom God has done certain things; he is not so much one who conforms to a certain manner of life as he is one who has received the gift of eternal life; he is not one who depends upon a hopelessly imperfect state but rather one who has reached a perfect standing before God as being in Christ" (Systematic Theology, 7:75).
I don't think any of us would deny that Jesus is the Lord of our Life when we become saved. But does everyone keep Jesus as the Lord of their life for their entire Christian life? I think the answer is no. There are backsliders, and every believer has their ups and downs in the faith.
Obviously when Ted Haggard was having extramarital relationships, Jesus was not Lord of his life. But can any of us say he was never saved? I don't think we can make that appraisal.
I do know this, however, Jesus has a love big enough to forgive for anyone that wants to repent. None of us can help our human nature, but we can ask Jesus to make things His way instead of our way.
there is no such thing as same-sex marriage to God. Sure there are such unions which people call marriage, and I have demonstrated that from the Bible. Gay theology is my description but is not about people who are homosexual who are theologians, as you incorrectly implied, but rather a theology which promotes same-sex unions which is of course extra-Biblical and therefore not a Christian theology.There is no such thing as "gay theology." There are gay people who are theologians, but that does not mean that what they write is "gay theology."
Ok so men who have sex with men are heterosexuals? What is your definition of homosexual and heterosexual again?Men who have sex with men are not necessarily "homosexuals." They may be, but they may not be.
Instead of judging and labeling other people, why not accept others as they are and let people decide for themselves what they will call themselves?No, you do. The great majority of born again Christians have got it straight---men who have sex with men are homosexuals, and they have big problems that need dealing with--not encouragement to go deeper into their sin.
Your arguments against same-sex marriage are just your opinions, not the opinions of God. And your arguments against same-sex marriage are reading your beliefs into the silence in the Bible.Dear Ohioprof,
there is no such thing as same-sex marriage to God. Sure there are such unions which people call marriage, and I have demonstrated that from the Bible. Gay theology is my description but is not about people who are homosexual who are theologians, as you incorrectly implied, but rather a theology which promotes same-sex unions which is of course extra-Biblical and therefore not a Christian theology.
Ok so men who have sex with men are heterosexuals? What is your definition of homosexual and heterosexual again?
Sanctification is a work not of the flesh but of the Holy Spirit in a person.
I don't think any of us would deny that Jesus is the Lord of our Life when we become saved. But does everyone keep Jesus as the Lord of their life for their entire Christian life? I think the answer is no. There are backsliders, and every believer has their ups and downs in the faith.
Obviously when Ted Haggard was having extramarital relationships, Jesus was not Lord of his life. But can any of us say he was never saved? I don't think we can make that appraisal.
We can also stop assuming that because someone does not conform to what WE think the results of that prayer should be means they have not prayed it and not meant it as earnestly and sincerely as any OTHER sinful, imperfect creature possibly could.I do know this, however, Jesus has a love big enough to forgive for anyone that wants to repent. None of us can help our human nature, but we can ask Jesus to make things His way instead of our way.
Could you model this behavior for the rest of us, by chance?This is how we enter the straight gate, by removing everything and giving it to Christ.
No my argument is that according to the Bible there is no such thing as same-sex marriage, marriage is defined in the Bible as man and woman and not same sex, same-sex unions are condemned in the Bible. I also believe the Bible is God’s word so they are the opinions of God. The only way one could argue the Bible isnt God’s opinion is if one doesn’t believe the Bible is God’s opinion.Your arguments against same-sex marriage are just your opinions, not the opinions of God. And your arguments against same-sex marriage are reading your beliefs into the silence in the Bible.
That’s true that’s why a gay man and a lesbian woman can get married if they wish; heterosexual and homosexual are sexual attractions/desires. But my question is how can anyone be identified as a heterosexual if they have same-sex sex. Having same-sex sex indicates they are homosexual in having same-sex attraction.Having sex with someone is not what makes a person's sexual orientation.
I havn't sold all my goods and given the proceeds to the poor because I'm not a Biblical literalist.You have been told the meaning of that instruction of Jesus. If you took it the way you are claiming, why don't you follow it? You told me you accepted Jesus Christ as your Saviour a while back...November, wasn't it?
You simply reveal yourself as one who goads and jeers at believers by your continual harping about this issue.
Take the understanding given you and move on already. Otherwise, I should think you are baiting and harrassing.
The Bible says nothing of the sort.No my argument is that according to the Bible there is no such thing as same-sex marriage
actually, the Bible never defines marriage at all, let alone what the disposition of its participants should be.marriage is defined in the Bible as man and woman and not same sex
baloney.same-sex unions are condemned in the Bible
even though not even the Bible makes such a claim.I also believe the Bible is God’s word so they are the opinions of God.
Situational dictates.But my question is how can anyone be identified as a heterosexual if they have same-sex sex. Having same-sex sex indicates they are homosexual in having same-sex attraction.
The Bible does indeed explain why there is no such thing as same-sex marriage, as it defines marriage as man and woman. Man and woman is not a same-sex unionThe Bible says nothing of the sort.
The Bible defines marriage between man and woman about 180 times! See a couple of early examples.actually, the Bible never defines marriage at all, let alone what the disposition of its participants should be.
Rubbish, Same-sex unions are condemned in the Bible, see Gen 19, Lev 18:22, 1 Cor 6, Romans 1 etc.baloney.
The Bible does make such a claim, in several places. For example Jesus says to the Pharisees have you not read that in the beginning God made them male and female, for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be untied with his wife and the two shall become one flesh. That’s in the Bible Matt 19 and refers to Genesis 2 which is also in the Bible.even though not even the Bible makes such a claim.
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