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A question to Christians(or anyone religious)

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Is there anything that would lead you to believe there is no God?

Or is it something that you don't question, or something that you are afraid to question?

edit.. : sh*t! accidentally posted in the formal debates subforum.. could a mod please move this to the general forum?
 

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I've debated with a few radicals and many of them say that science and real proof and fact are just tricks from the devil...lol, sad to me how brainwashed some of these people are. No offence to anyone.

I've NEVER met anyone who felt this way about science.
 
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Is there anything that would lead you to believe there is no God?

Or is it something that you don't question, or something that you are afraid to question?

edit.. : sh*t! accidentally posted in the formal debates subforum.. could a mod please move this to the general forum?
I'm not afraid to question it and I have questioned it many times.

I've considered, deeply, the big questions regarding my beliefs: The suffering/freewill/all powerful God conundrum, evolution etc. and my beliefs are still strong. If you think there's something I haven't considered that could challenge my faith then please let me know and I will let you know the results. I believe I have felt God's presence and he listens to, and answers, my prayers. I may sound like a nutjob but I'm not brain washed and I'm not unintelligent.
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No offence to anyone.
Saying this doesn't necessarily mean people don't have a right to be offended.
 
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I'm not afraid to question it and I have questioned it many times.

I've considered, deeply, the big questions regarding my beliefs: The suffering/freewill/all powerful God conundrum, evolution etc. and my beliefs are still strong. If you think there's something I haven't considered that could challenge my faith then please let me know and I will let you know the results. I believe I have felt God's presence and he listens to, and answers, my prayers. I may sound like a nutjob but I'm not brain washed and I'm not unintelligent.

Saying this doesn't necessarily mean people don't have a right to be offended.
"No offence" means you don't mean for anyone to take offence...
 
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i consider myself a person searching for the truth, and i continue searching all the time, taking others views into consideration and testing them to see whether they are true or not. I am a Christian myself, but i am also a biology science student, so i really have seen both sides and i must say that evolution has a lot of assumptions in it and a lot of knots compared with creation. ive watched and listened to numerous lectures about evolution, and i still dont see it for reasons i wont go into unless your interested in hearing them.
 
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I've debated with a few radicals and many of them say that science and real proof and fact are just tricks from the devil...lol, sad to me how brainwashed some of these people are. No offence to anyone.
Actually, I've met one on the flatearthsociety forums. He goes by the name of "science_is_satanism" I believe. (Although I'm almost certain he's a troll)

Btw, something that struck me as odd is that the VAST majority of flat earthers were athiests.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=10538.0
 
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the catholic church also killed christians for hailing to God's word rather then the pope. Take the Waldensians for example.

There have been numerous battles between Christian denominations in many countries of Europe. Even today there are online battles of the Fundies, and it really makes me mad. The world would be a lot better off without people trying to set us back into the dark ages.
 
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If you think there's something I haven't considered that could challenge my faith then please let me know and I will let you know the results.

Why have faith to begin with? That is the question that one must ask themselves. I am not saying that faith is bad, but the basis of faith is important. I find it interesting that creationists often use faith as a derisive term, saying that "evolutionists have faith in their theory" as if this is supposed to be insulting (even though it is entirely wrong). Did you first have faith because of family, peer pressure, reason, or experience?

I believe I have felt God's presence and he listens to, and answers, my prayers. I may sound like a nutjob but I'm not brain washed and I'm not unintelligent.

If you are a nutjob then a plurality of the US population are also nutjobs. Agnostics and atheists like myself have also questioned this belief and come to very different conclusions. It is impossible to say whether we have had the same experiences as you or if the same experience was unconvincing. Personally, I had the same "experiences of God" in church and in nature. They are, for me, indistinguishable. Humans are able to produce feelings of awe within themselves without any outside help. As to answered prayers, I have noticed no difference in my life between praying and not praying. As it turned out, the only reason I went to church was to see my friends and make my parents happy. Once I became an adult and lived on my own I didn't have these reasons to attend anymore, so I didn't.

Saying this doesn't necessarily mean people don't have a right to be offended.

People are always touchy about personally held beliefs. What we should strive towards is being reasonable and understanding instead of being confrontational.
 
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AFAIK, the Church never persecuted anyone on account of a round Earth cosmology. Although different fathers thought differently on this matter, certainly by the time science began to emerge, there was widespread consensus as to the shape of the Earth. It is, however, a common misconception that people in the time of Columbus (for example) thought that the Earth was flat. But this misconception stems from a poem about Columbus written by Washington Irving in the 1800s.

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As per the OP:

It depends on what you mean by "God." Tolstoy treats "God" as "the infinite" to which a person relates himself. It is this "infinite" that a person uses as his basis for ethics. Certainly, this is not necessarily the personal God attested in most traditional Western monotheistic religions, even if it does share many of the properties. However, if I treat "God" in this way, I may become disillusioned by one particular god and move on to another, but I could never give up on God, conceptually, because I always need something to relate to, if I am going to make conscious decisions on how to behave.

If I understand what you mean, however, when you ask whether Christians have questioned the existence of God, or whether something could dissuade them from Him, then as to myself I would say yes. Ultimately, it is grace and peace through charity that persuade me, and if I were shown something greater (more "infinite" if you will), I would adopt that.
 
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The Catholic Church was the one that killed and imprisoned the scientists that believed the earth is round.
That's not strictly true. The Flat Earth was never an official position of the Catholic Church, although some early theologians did teach it. I don't know of any instances in which scientists, realising that the earth was round, were persecuted by the Church. (See here)

Of course, it is famously documented that the Church were vehemently opposed to heliocentrism when it was proposed by people like Galileo, but that's a different matter.
 
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