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Amen. Except no discovery extends to Noah's day in any way that tells us what the laws were.
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Amen. Except no discovery extends to Noah's day in any way that tells us what the laws were.this seems to be a confession that all the evidence from the natural world fails to back the idea that the Bible is inerrant and that in order to rescue the idea of biblical inerrancy one is driven to the idea that all our discoveries about the nature of reality must be cast aside as worthless.
The laws you cite never applied to mankind. They applied to a people long ago. As I said, don't try to pull an Obama on us.
Jesus agrees big time actually. He did not tell us that we had to eat no pork, He showed Peter that we could eat all things.Jesus disagrees with you on that.
Fundamentalists do not get to pick which parts of the Bible they believe in.
Amen. Except no discovery extends to Noah's day in any way that tells us what the laws were.
Get a grip, this present state world has existed as long as man remembers.So that raises the question - how did you find out the Bible is God's very word? You cannot cite evidence, because all evidence fails to get past your past state notions.
That is your attempt at debate and logic!!!!? Ha.You cannot cite biblical verses, because that is circular reasoning, assuming the truth of what you wish to prove before you have proven it as evidence of what you are trying to prove. It must be in the nature of an assumed axiom, that is, something assumed to be true without proof as it is so self-evident that proof is regarded as not necessary. Is that the case for your system of belief?
Jesus agrees big time actually. He did not tell us that we had to eat no pork, He showed Peter that we could eat all things.
No. Says who? One star differs from another in glory. Life in heaven and Eden and the millennium are all quite different that now! Even in the flood, many things happened that exceed what could happen with our laws.
Great, so what are they? How can creation and the flood be very true 3 other ways? How did the waters get to earth and off it? How did animals speciate so fast after the flood? How could land mass and water separates fast with no heat from friction that killed life? How did man live 1000 years almost? Why is man and animals not in the fossil record if we were created the same week as other life? Etc..
That sets of the alarm bells, and that is why I hold the feet of science to the fire. The result of the interrogation by fire is that they have just belief. Believers can laugh, and rejoice.
It does suggest that earth is not on the same rules as heaven. That's a start!
Gen 10:25 -And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; [SIZE=-1][/SIZE]for in his days was the earth divided;
"to divide, split
- (Niphal) to be split, be divided
- (Piel)
- to split, cleave"
Acts 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.Chapter and verse please. I am willing you cannot back up your claim about Jesus.
Sorry, there is no evidence of that. There is evidence that Jesus spoke of stories that were familiar to the people of the time, nothing more.Since Jesus and the folks who wrote the New Testament believed in a flood and first man, the only issue is when.
"said to be" =/= "was"Since we know Abraham lived around a certain time, and that he was said to be a contemporary of Noah, the timeframe is not any real issue. Belief is the issue.
That depends on who the 'we' is. If you include flatworms and etc, speak for yourself. If you think having a shared ancient virus or pre virus means they got it through birth, I must point out you are invoking the religion of a same state past. No can do. Transfer could have happened another way.
Acts 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.
4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
That depends if you think the blanket lowered from heaven in a dream to Peter was a message from Jesus.Chapter and verse please. I am willing you cannot back up your claim about Jesus.
No, because heaven is coming to this earth! It will change. Once we admit that the future is different, we must then ask how the past can be so similar if it also was not different! How can they live 1000 years in the Millenium, and in the former state world unless both are different? How can animals and man again not eat meat, and lions eat grass? How can spiritual beings again exist along with mortal men on this earth, if not for some difference?Heaven going by different rules than earth doesn't suggest the rule on earth ever changed, it just means they are different when comparing the two different places
No, because heaven is coming to this earth! It will change. Once we admit that the future is different, we must then ask how the past can be so similar if it also was not different! How can they live 1000 years in the Millenium, and in the former state world unless both are different? How can animals and man again not eat meat, and lions eat grass? How can spiritual beings again exist along with mortal men on this earth, if not for some difference?
Face it the future and the past in the bible share similarities and are different than this present in some fundamental ways.
Well if the past has much of the same things, and you admit the future must change to get them...what does that tell you?Then this suggests a future change, not that physics or anything else has changed before.
Well if the past has much of the same things, and you admit the future must change to get them...what does that tell you?
OK. So the future will have A, B and C and D. The past also had A, B and C and D. That indicates they are similar. The present has C, Y, J and E.confused, thanks to your poorly worded sentence
dad, remember, without evidence you lose.
Again.
dad, the perpetually defeated.
The evidence you lack moots that logic. The evidence God provided that you chose to reject has given me the victory.
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