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A question I don't think creationists will answer.

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Strange, you quoted the definition in your post, yet you still got it wrong. Did you miss that it was the definition of Darwinist creationism?

Darwinist creationism:
The belief that living organisms originate from the specific act of divine creation which was the ensuring that all species of organisms arise and develop through natural selection of small, inherited variations that increase the individuals ability to compete, survive and reproduce.

It's a little bigger...did that help?
 
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Of course ToE has been shown to be true on a number of levels. However, I think the most compelling evidence is that of the fossil record. It could not be laid out in such a manner without evolution, that is unless all those fossils just popped into existence at just the right place and time as to describe what we would expect to see in evolution.
 
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Just don't try to prove it...right?

No, the problem is that it is theist who always complain about the lack of God in evolution but they do not complain about the lack of God in other aspects of science. The reason is that their own personal beliefs are being debunked, that is the stories of the early Bible that are obviously mythical. That does not disprove God or even Jesus in any way at all. Let's say both the Jesus story and the scientists are right. If that was the case how would Jesus handle tales of the past? When he taught his lessons he used allegory quite often. He taught in terms that the people of that time could understand, which only makes sense. He had a limited time on Earth and his spiritual message that he had to give would be more important than correcting the scientific beliefs of that time. So when speaking of man's constant behavior from the start he would refer back to the oldest people that he was talking to could think of. He would not refer to Lucy or Homo erectus, he would refer to Adam or Noah. That does not make it a lie since he was teaching a bigger lesson.

It is the theists who think their version is the one and only version that is correct that hate evolution so much.
 
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And a biologist would point to the many different forms of evidence in our DNA alone.

There are several independent source of evidence all that point to evolution. The concordance of these unrelated ideas is why many scientists consider that evolution is a fact just as gravity is a fact and that the ToE is merely the explanation of how life evolved.
 
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What? Are you getting frustrated because you keep using the wrong terminology?

The evidence that supports evolution is scientific evidence, it is objective evidence, it is empirical evidence. Do you disagree with me on any of these facts?
 
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Some may try to do that, but most atheists I know, and granted they're few, are good people. But, that doesn't dismiss the fact there is an atheist agenda to promote their creationist, an only their creationist, viewpoint in schools.

No there is an agenda to promote science and only science in schools. NO RELIGION ALLOWED.
 
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Bottom line, the majority of Christians do not agree with the Darwinist creationist viewpoint that God wasn't involved in any manner in the creation of humanity from a single life form of long long ago.

Reading is a skill qs well as comprhension. Reread my post.
 
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What do you mean by just popping into existence at just the right place?
 
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Ridiculous. Evolution could accommodate all sorts of different fossil sequences. For just one example, instead of the current reptile-to-mammal story, mammals could have been said to have evolved from amphibians. And some leading evolutionists actually used to promote this.

After reading so many similar comments as yours,RickG, I have come to the conclusion that most evolutionists on here do not understand their own theory enough to be able to competently identify evidence in its favor.
 
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What? Are you getting frustrated because you keep using the wrong terminology?

The evidence that supports evolution is scientific evidence, it is objective evidence, it is empirical evidence. Do you disagree with me on any of these facts?

No, I am frustrated because I corrected myself to make my meaning accurate and then you go off and say exactly what I was saying.
 
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What do you mean by just popping into existence at just the right place?

That is the only way I know of to explain the fossil record without evolution. The way the fossil record is laid down throughout the geologic column could only happen through evolution, unless you want to invoke magic.
 
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There is no reptile-to-mammal story. If you know anything about the theory, you would know that. The origin of species is a tree, not a ladder.

There's a reason why our icons are brains and yours is an ancient torture device, I guess.
 
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I would assume that for the most part on this forum that it is the anti-theist that posts the most frequently and who are most vocal about the ToE being devoid of God?
I am not sure. Some are and some aren't. The same for the more extreme theists who insist that their interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one.

Both sides have their more adamant posters and their more moderate ones. In this kind of forum I generally try to get along with the more moderate ones on both sides and hold my arguments for the more extreme cases.

Dizredux
 
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There is no reptile-to-mammal story. If you know anything about the theory, you would know that. The origin of species is a tree, not a ladder.

Yet another evolutionist who doesn't appear to understand his own theory.

"Primitive synapsids are usually called pelycosaurs; more advanced mammal-like ones, therapsids. The non-mammalian members are described as mammal-like reptiles in classical systematics. (Carrol, Benton)"

Synapsid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Wow, lifepsyop got one right!

Yes, the evolution from early reptile to early mammal is fairly well documented. Please bear in mind that those early reptiles are quite different from today's reptiles and those early mammals are extremely different from today's mammals.
 
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Bigger, smaller, it doesn't change a thing. You're promoting the theistic view of Darwinism. Unfortunately, only the atheistic view of Darwinist creationism is allowed in schools.

Why is that, do you think?
 
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In fact the mammal to reptile story is one where evolutionary scientists were arguing quite vehemently with each other with exactly where some of the fossils should fit. Whether they were mammal like reptiles or reptile like mammals. This is what you would expect from the theory of evolution, that there would be transitional species that are very difficult to categorize.

Thank you lifepsyop for that reminder of the extremely strong fossil evidence for evolution.
 
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Bigger, smaller, it doesn't change a thing. You're promoting the theistic view of Darwinism. Unfortunately, only the atheistic view of Darwinist creationism is allowed in schools.

Why is that, do you think?

That is easy, because our viewpoint is based upon and supported by science. Yours is not.
 
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Bigger, smaller, it doesn't change a thing. You're promoting the theistic view of Darwinism. Unfortunately, only the atheistic view of Darwinist creationism is allowed in schools.

Why is that, do you think?

Because only the "atheistic" (lulz) version can be demonstrated in verifiable ways.

You can teach your religious ideas at church. Not in a science class.
 
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