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Thanks for the QED.Nah, I simply like tweaking the weak of faith.
Christians who have strong faith can believe in God even if the first two books of the Bible are false. Weak Christians will go to amazing lengths to defend the indefensible.
No kidding?
And what happens?
You either get corrected, or you guys stand around saying stuff like:
Joe: Hey, did you know that gravity is Gm[sub]1[/sub]m[sub]2[/sub]/r[sup]2[/sup]?
Fred: Uh ... ya. Did you know that E=mc[sup]2[/sup]?
What do you mean?Not quite, you have to account for the fact that in physics there are theories which stand on more equal footing than you will see in most other areas of science, so arguments from both sides can be equally valid.
What do you mean?
You mean they actually disagree with each other?
And here I thought science was set in stone!?
So by way of example:
Here, someone can get away with telling us the Flood was local.
But "over there," if that same person were to say the Flood was local, he might have to contend with an argument from someone with a real education in that field?
What do you mean?
You mean they actually disagree with each other?
And here I thought science was set in stone!?
So by way of example:
Here, someone can get away with telling us the Flood was local.
But "over there," if that same person were to say the Flood was local, he might have to contend with an argument from someone with a real education in that field?
Taking the part of an Old Earth Creationist for the moment in order to explain the fossil record for them.
Two possibilities:
1. God set up the first life form(s) and the physical laws of the universe such that the resulting reproduction of the life form(s) would be imperfect but not so imperfect as to kill off all the progeny.
God is omniscient so he knew that one of the resultant life forms would have intelligence at a level where they could understand creation and realize there is a God. Once that species developed, God started interacting with it. That process of evolution along with sedimentation produced the fossil record we have.
2. God started the first life form and allowed it to reproduce. Throughout the eons, God fiddled with the DNA a little to push evolution toward humanity. That process of evolution along with sedimentation produced the fossil record we have.
That was actually pretty easy....uh...unless I misunderstood the directive (it really wasn't a question, despite the use of a question mark) in the first post.
?? Perhaps I don't understand OEC that well. I was under the impression that most were accepting of evolution and worried with reconciling it with the text of Genesis.Thanks for the response, it is very interesting. But actually, I was wanting someone to explain the fossil record without evolution. The idea behind this inquiry is that there is no need to quantify transitional fossils, they are irrelevant. Simply put, there cannot be a 3.5 Ga fossil record without evolution, which YEC's realize and therefore do everything to discredit dating methods. Of course, with OEC's it poses an even bigger problem. The only solution there is they just appeared "ex nihilo" throughout geologic time.
?? Perhaps I don't understand OEC that well. I was under the impression that most were accepting of evolution and worried with reconciling it with the text of Genesis.
Taking the part of an Old Earth Creationist for the moment in order to explain the fossil record for them.
Two possibilities:
1. God set up the first life form(s) and the physical laws of the universe such that the resulting reproduction of the life form(s) would be imperfect but not so imperfect as to kill off all the progeny.
See above. Creation must mean creation by God of all that He says He created in the bible, and in the times and ways He said.2. God started the first life form and allowed it to reproduce.
Whatever... I was just responding to the directive from the OP. That you disagree with what OEC's believe doesn't catch anyone by surprise.That puts OEC squarely outside of God's bible loop. Any relation to creation they claim becomes moot and hypocritical.See above. Creation must mean creation by God of all that He says He created in the bible, and in the times and ways He said.
Sure. Easy to do. God created man and animals bird fish etc one week. That was in the former state. Most animals and man could not fossilize. Many things that could fossilize after death did so, and that is what the fossil record is..a very very partial incomplete sampling of life. The rapid plant growth and rapid ability to evolve also factored into the fossil record, layers could be laid down far faster than we would see today.Whatever... I was just responding to the directive from the OP. That you disagree with what OEC's believe doesn't catch anyone by surprise.
Perhaps you could provide your explanation of the ordering in the fossil record from a YEC perspective.
Sure. Easy to do. God created man and animals bird fish etc one week. That was in the former state.
Most animals and man could not fossilize. Many things that could fossilize after death did so, and that is what the fossil record is..a very very partial incomplete sampling of life.
The rapid plant growth and rapid ability to evolve also factored into the fossil record, layers could be laid down far faster than we would see today.
One cannot deny the creation by God, if one wants to claim His word is on your side.
What is it about humans that make them unable to be fossilized?Sure. Easy to do. God created man and animals bird fish etc one week. That was in the former state. Most animals and man could not fossilize.
What is in the bones of the animals that fossilize and is absent in the bones of humans?Many things that could fossilize after death did so, and that is what the fossil record is..a very very partial incomplete sampling of life.
What is it about the speed of plant growth and the evolving of animals that affects the thickness of the sedimentary layers or the speed at which the sediment is deposited?The rapid plant growth and rapid ability to evolve also factored into the fossil record, layers could be laid down far faster than we would see today.
Many on this site claim His word and don't deny creation by God. They just differ with you on the mechanism employed by God to do the creating.One cannot deny the creation by God, if one wants to claim His word is on your side.
No death.Explain this former state.
No death.
No entropy.
No spinose structures.
Universe an open system, fueled by Shekinah energy.
No death.
No entropy.
No spinose structures.
Universe an open system, fueled by Shekinah energy.
Did I mention "no death"?No entropy? Your body would stop functioning without entropy. You do realize that, don't you?
Did I mention "no death"?
You know: no cessation of telomere activity?
It's not called a Different State Past for nothing!Did I mention no bodily function?
Your metabolism would be like a car that randomly shifted from drive to reverse.
Without entropy, the TCA cycle would move in random directions. You wouldn't be able to metabolize sugars.
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