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According to Christ's Object Lessons,218, we are now living in the time of "added probation" during which the second and final call to the church is to be proclaimed. The 1888 message of the offer to receive the righteousness of Christ through faith in His merits is to be proclaimed one more time in demonstration and power of the Holy Spirit.
You must have lost your Bible again - you have grossly abused the intent of Ellen White's writings.Not until the second call of that parable has been definitely rejected by the Advent people and the bearers of the message character assassinated will the message go to the world in a loud cry fashion. (The first call came in 1888 and was rejected as predicted in the parable)
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This is the kind of misunderstandings that are portrayed by those who have no idea what they are talking about, and who use the writings of our church in ways the authors of said writings have asked us not to do; and who absolutely do not represent official Adventist teachings. They see themselves as correctors of the church, and of others. And they have a pointless, confusing message.Do you know how silly things like this sound to a Christian outsider? Where does the Bible speak of probation at all, much less an "added" one? I don't find the word anywhere in the Bible with a word search.
One of the funniest things about your religious tirades here is this thing you have in your head about me "taking over," here at the forum. Wow. What is it that you are so afraid of that I am taking control of? Incase you have not noticed, there is not a lot of activity here, hasn't been for some time; and you might want to consider just how your posts have been affecting that.Words are cheap.
These have come to set themselves as "kings and rulers."
This is described in the Testimonies as "the spirit of domination." T.M.362
I will let the readers decide for themselves.
sky
Again; you destroy the meaning and the importance of the testimonies with your puffed up quote-whipping theology. You mis-use the testimonies to take a stab at church leadership, without due consideration of what Ellen White means. certainly; she was not singling out Church leadership; for she has also said regarding the same text that all people have a chance to learn the lesson of Nicodemus - it is not just directed at church leadership as you intimate."The lesson to Nicodemus I present as HIGHLY APPLICABLE to those who are today in responsible positions... The words of Christ are spoken just as verily to presidents of conferences, elders of churches, and those occupying official positions in our institutions...
sky
Nicodemus received the lesson of Christ and became a true believer. His voice was heard in the Sanhedrin council in opposition to their measures for compassing the death of Christ. "Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him?" he said. The scornful answer was returned: "Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet." {TM 369.3}
Jesus had a disciple in Nicodemus. In that night conference with Jesus the convicted man stood before the Saviour under the softening, subduing influence of truth which was shining into the chambers of his mind and impressing his heart. Jesus said: "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
Jesus not only tells Nicodemus that he must have a new heart in order to see the kingdom of heaven, but tells him how to obtain a new heart. He reads the inquiring mind of a true seeker after truth, and presents before him the representation of Himself:
"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life." Good news! good news! ring throughout the world! "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
This lesson is one of the greatest importance to every soul that lives; for the terms of salvation are here laid out in distinct lines. If one had no other text in the Bible, this alone would be a guide for the soul. {TM 370.1}
You are pitting Ellen White's writings against scripture almost every time you post, and that is always wrong and needs to be questioned.The statements are clear. The words of Jesus to Nicodemus "You must be born again," are "HIGHLY APPLICABLE to those who are today in RESPONSIBLE POSITION... spoken just as verily to presidents of conferences, elders of churches, and those occupying official positions in our institutions,,,
But you, brother, you accuse me of destroying the meaning of the Testimonies when I did no such thing. I did not even make any attempt at any private interpretation of what these words mean because there is no need to... I reminded the reader, earlier, that "the Testimonies themselves will be the key that will explain the messages given, as Scripture is explained by Scripture." 1 S.M.42.
And then, ironically, you offer instead your own private opinion or interpretation of the true meaning of the words quoted!
If you used her writings correctly in their context, you would see the same message as scripture; and that ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE are invited, like Nicodemus to experience being born again. Jesus was not just taking a cheap pot shot at Church leadership.Jer 3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
Well; here we go again, you lift a phrase here, a phrase there out of context and make a doctrine out of it. This "something wrong with church leadership gospel" is about as dry as the hills of Gilboa, and just about as old. I think that if you re-readwhat I wrote; you will see that my comment re taking cheap shots at church leadership was directed at and about you, and what you are trying to poison the forum with here.Jesus was not just taking a cheap pot shot at Church leadership.
Castaway
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Who is taking cheap pot shots at the leadership?
Certainly you would not suggest that when the Lord sent this testimony, "The lesson to Nicodemus I present as HIGHLY APPLICABLE to those who are today in responsible positions... The words of Christ are spoken just as verily to presidents of conferences, elders of churches, and those occupying official positions in our institutions,"
He was taking a cheap pot shot at the leadership!
Was He also taking a cheap pot shot at the leadership when in 1907, He said,
"The self-confident management of men has resulted in putting God aside and accepting the devisings of men." T.M.481.
Of course not, for "His warnings are but the breathing of unutterable love." S.C.35, bottom of page.
sky
I am sorry if the Bible offends you, and denounces what you say so out of context.Jer 3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
This is preaching Satan's message, and using Satans tactics from Mat 4 where he omits certain key words from scripture. You have taken a small snippet from SC, pg 35, par 3, (not bottom of page), omitted certain key words, and passages, and made it to say something quite different than what Ellen White had intended. here is how it actually reads in what she wrote; and it is VERY OBVIOUS that you have misapplied the phrase which you abbreviated as she was not on SC 35 addressing Church leaders at all:Was He also taking a cheap pot shot at the leadership when in 1907, He said,
"The self-confident management of men has resulted in putting God aside and accepting the devisings of men." T.M.481.
Of course not, for "His warnings are but the breathing of unutterable love." S.C.35, bottom of page.
sky
According to paragraph 2 on pg 35, she is talking about individual believers searching THE BIBLE for themselves, and counting all the promises and warnings as done in "unutterable love." This is so encouraging to know that God's Word contains such love, and such power as to help us know Him better like this in such a personal way. See John 17:3, for it tells us that it is eternal life to know Him, not the mistakes of church leaders.SC.035.001
Many accept an intellectual religion, a form of godliness, when the heart is not cleansed. Let it be your prayer, "Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me." Psalm 51:10. Deal truly with your own soul. Be as earnest, as persistent, as you would be if your mortal life were at stake. This is a matter to be settled between God and your own soul, settled for eternity. A supposed hope, and nothing more, will prove your ruin.
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Study God's word prayerfully. That word presents before you, in the law of God and the life of Christ, the great principles of holiness, without which "no man shall see the Lord." Hebrews 12:14. It convinces of sin; it plainly reveals the way of salvation. Give heed to it as the voice of God speaking to your soul.
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As you see the enormity of sin, as you see yourself as you really are, do not give up to despair. It was sinners that Christ came to save. We have not to reconcile God to us, but--O wondrous love!--God in Christ is "reconciling the world unto Himself." 2 Corinthians 5:19. He is wooing by His tender love the hearts of His erring children. No earthly parent could be as patient with the faults and mistakes of his children, as is God with those He seeks to save. No one could plead more tenderly with the transgressor. No human lips ever poured out more tender entreaties to the wanderer than does He. All His promises, His warnings, are but the breathing of unutterable love.
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When Satan comes to tell you that you are a great sinner, look up to your Redeemer and talk of His merits. That which will help you is to look to His light. Acknowledge your sin, but tell the enemy that "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" and that you may be saved by His matchless love. 1 Timothy 1:15. Jesus asked Simon a question in regard to two debtors. One owed his lord a small sum, and the other owed him a very large sum; but he forgave them both, and Christ asked Simon which debtor would love his lord most. Simon answered, "He to whom he forgave most." Luke 7:43.
We have been great sinners, but Christ died that we might be forgiven. The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf. Those to whom He has forgiven most will love Him most, and will stand nearest to His throne to praise Him for His great love and infinite sacrifice. It is when we most fully comprehend the love of God that we best realize the sinfulness of sin. When we see the length of the chain that was let down for us, when we understand something of the infinite sacrifice that Christ has made in our behalf, the heart is melted with tenderness and contrition.
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