A parish priest asks: How do I respond when ICE comes for my flock?

Fish and Bread · Mar 16, 2017

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A parish priest asks: How do I respond when ICE comes for my flock?

musicalpilgrim · Mar 16, 2017

I pray for the Lord's guidance for you, in Jesus name

SkyWriting · Mar 16, 2017

Fish and Bread said:
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A parish priest asks: How do I respond when ICE comes for my flock?

Offer what help you can.
Unlike other countries, you won't get jailed for
getting involved, as long as you remain civil.

Mrs.PGL · Mar 16, 2017

You will tell the that Christ does not condone illegal activity and that like everyone else who came into your country, do so legally and then there are no problems. You did not put them in this position. They put themselves there.
Romans 13 -

Fish and Bread · Mar 16, 2017

Mrs.PGL said:
You will tell the that Christ does not condone illegal activity and that like everyone else who came into your country, do so legally and then there are no problems. You did not put them in this position. They put themselves there.

That is not the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Fish and Bread · Mar 16, 2017

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Immigration

Mrs.PGL · Mar 16, 2017

Fish and Bread said:
That is not the teaching of the Catholic Church.

romans 13 is not a teaching of the RCC? shame

JackRT · Mar 16, 2017

What is "ICE"?

Mrs.PGL · Mar 16, 2017

JackRT said:
What is "ICE"?

Immigration Customs Enforcement

Paidiske · Mar 16, 2017

I've been very inspired by the work being done by these churches in offering sanctuary:

http://www.acrt.com.au/sanctuary-for-asylum-seekers/

Paidiske · Mar 16, 2017

Hasn't been tested yet. Apparently there are some legal precedents which would make any test quite interesting.

JackRT · Mar 16, 2017

The idea of sanctuary is a very long and honourable Christian tradition.

JackRT · Mar 16, 2017

South Bound said:
It's Unbiblical.

How is violating the law by sheltering criminals consistent with the teachings of Christ?

There is a real philosophical question here as to the criminalization of people fleeing violence and/or seeking a better life.

Paidiske · Mar 16, 2017

A refugee is not a criminal by international law.

Albion · Mar 16, 2017

Claiming to be a refugee isn't what makes anyone a refugee. And with that, we're back at square one because the whole issue, despite all the disinformation that's circulating, is whether or not the individual is to be treated as a refugee without the government having any say in the matter. It's never been done before in this country.

Paidiske · Mar 16, 2017

Albion said:
whether or not the individual is to be treated as a refugee without the government having any say in the matter.

Well, no, the government doesn't have any say in the matter. A refugee is a refugee by agreed international standards, not by fiat of the government to which they apply for asylum.

Albion · Mar 16, 2017

Paidiske said:
Well, no, the government doesn't have any say in the matter. A refugee is a refugee by agreed international standards, not by fiat of the government to which they apply for asylum.

It's not that simple. And I wasn't referring only to a categorical eligibility for admission to the country.

Paidiske · Mar 16, 2017

Albion said:
It's not that simple.

How so? If a person meets the definition: "A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war, or violence. A refugee has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group. Most likely, they cannot return home or are afraid to do so. War and ethnic, tribal and religious violence are leading causes of refugees fleeing their countries" (from here: What is a Refugee? Definition and Meaning | USA for UNHCR ) then that person is a refugee.

Albion · Mar 16, 2017

Paidiske said:
How so? If a person meets the definition: "A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war, or violence. A refugee has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group. Most likely, they cannot return home or are afraid to do so. War and ethnic, tribal and religious violence are leading causes of refugees fleeing their countries" (from here: What is a Refugee? Definition and Meaning | USA for UNHCR ) then that person is a refugee.

That doesn't mean he can walk across the border to any country of his choosing at any time he chooses and lose himself in the crowd with complete immunity.

Paidiske · Mar 16, 2017

Lose himself in the crowd? Maybe not. But actually, he can walk across the border of any country (or enter by any other means) and then seek asylum. He does not need to apply from outside before entering.

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