A new CF, an old vision

sparklecat · Jul 6, 2007

I used to feel like CF was my home forum.

It has always been blindingly obvious that I'm a second-class citizen here and that many others would be happy to see me and every other non-Christian leave. Still, by Erwin's decision we were allowed in and I held onto what I was given, because it was better than nothing and I did feel some sense of belonging. Then, rules started changing, discrimination increased, and I felt that those in charge were now actively trying to drive me and mine away, so... I left.

Now, I feel like maybe this can be a home to me again.

In regard to my kind moderating, I would certainly hope that any voting is done by sub-forum, so that people are governed by those they know and trust. Those who don't want non-Christians in their areas don't have to have them, but in GA at least we've been wanting representation for years. I would also imagine that if someone overly disruptive was elected, Erwin would be capable of removing them to preserve harmony.

Of course, this is assuming that he isn't banking on none of us ever being elected in the first place, as this post seems to imply.

Leanna · Jul 6, 2007

jtbdad said:
I don't know maybe the behavior on GA.

From what I've seen that's more a matter of age and maturity

I would rather see an age cap on moderators, with the exception of the teen forum, older is better!

*gets flamed*

herev · Jul 6, 2007

GraceInHim said:
Erwin,
Big Thank you!

The above is what we as Christians whom should be like Christ. Christ opened the doors to prostitutes, leapers, tax collectors and yes, even us gentiles whom became Christians.. We should do the same for all others on CF, no matter whom they are.

As long as we act Christ-like and humble ourselves, we will be exalted in any forum on CF!

This is awesome Erwin!!!!!!!!!!

hello old friend!

Alice the Sister · Jul 6, 2007

Wyvern said:
Exactly...

I would worry less about an atheist moderator closing a thread discussing aspects of Christianity...

Because it didn't line up with their own opinion...

Can a Christian be possessed?...

Anyone?...

Totally. We're so used to being moderated by people who will abuse their powers if they don't agree with you and this is with Christian-only. The same could be said of non-Christians abusing power. The role of a "moderator" is to basically enforce the rules. If they can't get past their own ego, they shouldn't be moderators.

"" · Jul 6, 2007

This is so exciting. Thank you Erwin. Thank you for hearing G-d's call, and obeying, #1. And #2, thank you for remembering that CF is a ministry, first and foremost. He loves all of us: every race, every nation, every people, every station of life, every man, every woman, every child. It is G-d who decides who is His. It is we who have the ability to say we believe.

I so look forward to what is to come. I would be honored to stay on staff, if I am deemed worthy by the posters here on Christian Forums. In either case, I will support Christian Forums and be so happy to be a part of it.

Letalis · Jul 6, 2007

nyj said:
But at least back then, people could come to the table of their own accord and ask to be considered.

Now, at the very least ... they'll need to buddy up just to get nominated.

When people see a poll, they'll vote for who they know. At least with the old system, we took time to take a look at what they've contributed. That will be entirely overlooked ... their whole body of work (evidenced in their posts) will be ignored ... what will be the most likely option for choosing a person to serve on staff is : Do I know them? Do I like them?

That's a pure popularity contest.

Obviously it remains to be seen if this will happen or not, but given a fair amount of time ... I think the probability is high.

The thing that might keep it less likely for that happening is the loss of all secret fora. Though, I wonder how reports will be handled now.

Perhaps a committee of sorts should be appointed, with the approval of the community and Erwin.

No Swansong · Jul 6, 2007

Erwin said:
The idea would be that individual forums have membership that can form their own rules through a wiki/collaborative process. If the current congregational forum wants to ban debate, and if the members of that congregational forum vote to agree, then it is so. Why should a person from another section care? They can request and form their own forums for their own group. Moderation will be decentralised according to each forum/category - members that the forum members respect get voted to be their mods. Mods usually only have power to moderate their own forums. Reports go into forums that are subforums of these forums/categories. It's a massive restructure that I need to embark on.

The aim is to make this a true community where people have the power to ultimately moderate themselves.

But all members, Christian or not may post there? So there will be no Christian Only fora correct?

openup4christ · Jul 6, 2007

herev said:
open hearts, open minds, open doors!

Sooo now were throwing out the Nicence Creed and saying your a christian cuz you say your are......... OHhhh I didnt know the bible said that!

JCrawf · Jul 6, 2007

jtbdad said:
It'll be interesting to see how majority rules works out.

Well, if we're talking about a true attempt at a Democracy, then we're not looking at majority rules - that is very much anti-democracy because that takes away from all people having a say. In a true and full democracy, both what a majority and the minority have to say is important in the overall matters. If all are given a say, that means that each voice can be heard and discerned. Maybe it could be possible that, after reviewing the different ideas, opinions, etc. that people come to see that maybe the majority opinion was not right, and/or one or more of the alternative views was better or just as valid.

Being one that is excited about the process of such a democracy being formed, despite it going against the grain of Platonist views, which has been adopted by much of Christianity, particularly in the West among both Catholics and Protestants - especially those adhearing to Augustinian theology within Church hierarchy and legalistic matters -, I personally have some hope and optimism in Democracy.

But, if that doesn't work, then I'm all for Tolkien's ideology of philosophic anarchy.

Pax Tecum,

John

TheBear · Jul 6, 2007

gonebowling said:
The bottom line is that there is nothing inherant in being Christian that also makes one especially well suited to be a discussion board moderator. Whereas the qualities of good moderating ability can be found across the faith (or non-faith) spectrum.

I couldn't agree more.

herev · Jul 6, 2007

openup4christ said:
If a muslim says there are a christian does that make them a christian?

wmc1982 · Jul 6, 2007

Letalis said:
I think the old DR should be reopened so this can all be hashed out.

Yea, if the whole thing is about giving the power to the people, then we should have a say in a lot of these issues.

drstevej · Jul 6, 2007

Erwin said:
The idea would be that individual forums have membership that can form their own rules through a wiki/collaborative process. If the current congregational forum wants to ban debate, and if the members of that congregational forum vote to agree, then it is so. Why should a person from another section care? They can request and form their own forums for their own group. Moderation will be decentralised according to each forum/category - members that the forum members respect get voted to be their mods. Mods usually only have power to moderate their own forums. Reports go into forums that are subforums of these forums/categories. It's a massive restructure that I need to embark on.

The aim is to make this a true community where people have the power to ultimately moderate themselves.

Whew, that's some relief.

OBOB will be able to run itself as it wants and have its own rules as all Christians are united.

kiwimac · Jul 6, 2007

Miracle_Storm said:
Okay, whew. I'm done multi quoting people the thread just keeps growing.
I'm very disappointed.

Doesn't sound rude or mean at all. It's truth and what many are thinking, but not saying.

Yes, but supposedly this was a Christian site. Therefore anyone moderating should be Christian.
We don't let unbelievers in to lead...

I wouldn't want them to be my moderator.
I wouldn't want to follow their secular way of thinking or approach to the world in general.
No offense meant toward any athiest.

Yes they can. They can be compassionate, they can be cool, they can be fun people to talk to.
They however should not be enforcing rules on a "Christian" site.

Here gives them one more chance to proselytize.
Have you ever visited GA give me a break.
I had a weak momment once and decided to let it fly in there. I had one Christian pm me and about 6 unbelievers....

Yes, and you know what. I don't want new members coming here unknowingly speaking with people of different religions being swayed.
Protection is gone and now there is no longer an area for Christians to fellowship in harmony when they want to.
This is no longer a "Christian" board. This is a open to all free for all.

Yes they should enforce the rules, with equality and love. BUT unbelievers cannot help in "Uniting all Christians as One Body in Christ"
In fact they want the exact opposite!

I think they can moderate to, on a board that is secular. Oh yeah.

Power hungry we do not need. Most importantly though we need those in power who believe in the Christ we Christians believe died for our sins.
We do NOT need secular leadership.

No one is acting like ONLY Christians can moderate fairly. But where in any congregation as now "Christian Forums" has been likened to...did a unbeliever become an elder?

Because their secular beliefs will be, and I don't mean might be, WILL BE spread around these forums like a stink that no air freshener can remove.

It's not "Christian" anymore by any means. This is now a secular board.
"Uniting All Christians as One" Should be removed as this is misleading and false.

There needs to be equality in the body of Christ. Uniting of Christians with different beliefs. But now the athiests, agnostics and whatevers are being handed the keys to vote on rules, discussions, moderators and can moderate Christians ON a Christian board.
In real life I would not take the advice of a non Christian. I certainly will not do it here. But that is what is going to be done since they will be voting as well. Athiests will vote for athiest and eventually when they start posting in the once Christains Only section. It will become just as much a mad house, probably more, that GA already is!!

Well Like I said NO air freshner will be able to take care of this stink!
The gremlin has been released from the bag..

Not me. My son will no longer be allowed on this SECULAR website and I will NEVER give another DIME!!

Exactly. It will happen though...

Don't be so sure Lisa.

The doors have been swung wide open for the wolves to attack.
No place off limits. Not even our kids online have a safe place to roam in these woods now.

ALOT. A whole lot. Gather together the athiest at ~E~ so they can decide on their new non Christian leaders will be.

This is not a time for hugs. I may vomit. Anyone have a paper bag?!

It has to do with non believers enforcing rules on a Christian board.

Speak for yourself in what you do and how you minister to people. I was on staff, but didn't advertise who I did or did not speak to.

....Or Uniting unbelievers and believers alike as one body on a website! VOMIT spews....

Party is over!!

It's not "Christian" anymore by any means. This is now a secular board.
"Uniting All Christians as One" Should be removed as this is misleading and false.

But it was alright to claim this when the SITE was deciding who was and was not a Christian? Jesus said,

Mark9:40 40 Whoever is not against us is for us. (NRSV)

Perhaps we should take this verse seriously?

No Swansong · Jul 6, 2007

Leanna said:
From what I've seen that's more a matter of age and maturity

I would rather see an age cap on moderators, with the exception of the teen forum, older is better!

*gets flamed*

OK but it will still happen. So instead of dealing with adults misbehaving we will be dealing with youth misbehaving. It will still happen.

Morghaine · Jul 6, 2007

openup4christ said:
Ya but what were saying is that now mods will be elected on how many friends they have not how good at ministry they are or if they love Jesus.

Right, I was responding to Praying It does sound like under the new direction that it could be a popularity contest.

MelzluvsJesus · Jul 6, 2007

OI this isn't going to be pretty. Already this thread isn't!

Miracle I TOTALLY agree with you. HOW can this be called Christian when we let unbelievers run it?? Your whole post was SO right on! YOU go girl!

chaoschristian · Jul 6, 2007

Yow! Now that will be interesting. Very radical for CF and very welcome as far as I am concerned.

Erwin said:
The idea would be that individual forums have membership that can form their own rules through a wiki/collaborative process. If the current congregational forum wants to ban debate, and if the members of that congregational forum vote to agree, then it is so. Why should a person from another section care? They can request and form their own forums for their own group. Moderation will be decentralised according to each forum/category - members that the forum members respect get voted to be their mods. Mods usually only have power to moderate their own forums. Reports go into forums that are subforums of these forums/categories. It's a massive restructure that I need to embark on.

The aim is to make this a true community where people have the power to ultimately moderate themselves.

Leanna · Jul 6, 2007

openup4christ said:
Sooo now were throwing out the Nicence Creed and saying your a christian cuz you say your are......... OHhhh I didnt know the bible said that!

I didn't know the Bible had the Creed

boy you're funny

Letalis · Jul 6, 2007

openup4christ said:
Sooo now were throwing out the Nicence Creed and saying your a christian cuz you say your are......... OHhhh I didnt know the bible said that!

Perhaps now defining Christianity will be a point open for debate, whereas currently such discussions are restricted.

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