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Paddington said:A great part of the Christian forums was the ability to discuss faith with other Christians. There is a section we can discuss things with non-Christians too. I don't see how having a specific section for Christians is discriminatory. It is a CHRISTIAN forum after all. That is it's main purpose. Or should be.
Please don't imply that because some of us are against these changes we are against including non-Christians.
Also, all the mods have put in a LOT of hard work most of which goes unseen by the majority of members. Voting them out isn't much of a thank you now is it.
NoQuestion said:Exactly. No one sees anything wrong with the forums that are for only Athiests and Agnostics and other non-believers. So why is it always discrimination when we have forums for just Christians? It's easier to discuss things when we have other people with most of the same goals, boundaries, and beliefs to discuss them with.
Of course those that have a liberal view of what it means to be a Christian, regardless of what the Word of God teaches, will be elated. The Nicene Creed is simple.basic.Christian. principle.
Also don't get so stuffy you can't take a joke (albeit a bad one)In your anger, do not sin.
You can be so right that you are wrong.
Don't allow your orthodoxy to gobble up your orthopraxy.
A spade is a spade.
We are all allowed to have our own opinion.
Confusion begins when people put their faith in MAN (as in a webmaster) instead of God and what His Word says . This is a prime example.
The simple basic doctrines of Christianity are being thrown out the window to appease the majority of the people on this forum.....
I can believe I am married to an amoeba and, SHAZAM!!!!, I get a "married" icon. All safehouse locks, political and spiritual, are being thrown out the window and mass chaos is now being allowed.
Of course those that have a liberal view of what it means to be a Christian, regardless of what the Word of God teaches, will be elated. The Nicene Creed is simple.basic.Christian. principle.
So who you gonna be angry at? God's word for being different than this new direction? Or that the new direction does not line up with the Word of God?
It is what it is....so have at it.
As Christians, our hearts should have holy motives to serve God through the Holy Spirit. If we do that, we will be motivated to fellowship and serve with other Christians without reservations. A person without having the Holy Spirit in the heart will not understand God therefore a person will define God by their doctrines rather than the Holy Spirit's conviction.God is love and the lifeline of the tree of which we are branches. W/o love we are nothing and can do nothing (ie:all is in vain) All comes to motives= His or yours?
One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church??
CF changes the creed for its own use. Look at the footnotes on baptism. It is not the Nicene Creed in use here but a modified version with footnotes to allow specific groups and exclude others. The Nicene Creed is not the word of God.CF explains it is not specifically speaking of the Catholic church.
Even the demons believe and shudder.
I believe I can fly. Guess I'm a bird.
I think we can and must voice our opinions while all is up in the air, to not vioce them is wrong. When all is said and done would be a good time to button it but as David did all he could while the baby still might have life, we must do our part, when it's dead and buried then is the time to carry on.Not one in opposition has offered how this direction goes against the word of God. I see a lot of people complaining about safety being removed but nowhere in scripture are we told to gather safely. We are, in fact, told to be in the world. I see nothing in this new system that goes contrary to God's word. I also don't believe the NC is necessary at all. We have scripture and we need nothing outside of it. It is good description of Biblical doctrines but it is only man's description of them it is not the word of God.
Nowhere in the proposition does it say chaos or anarchy will be allowed. In fact it states the rules will be simplified and the congregational forums, and other forums, will be able to vote on their own rules. This is not chaos at all. It seems that you are speaking from ignorance as to what is happening. Where in Erwin's post does he assert that the forum will be lawless and without rules?
We are told to love one another and we are told the definition of love. You can couch your words however you want but they are not kind in the least. They are not patient. They are not loving which we, as Christians, are instructed to be. You are welcome to your words and thoughts but as Christians we are called to correct wrongs when we see them. If you want to try and define your words as loving in any sense that is up to you. I will point out hypocrisy where I see it and do so in the kindest manner possible. I see your words as hurtful and a bad witness. The fact that more atheists are willing to be loving in this thread speaks to the state of Christianity here at CF and proves that something needs to be done and fast. Lucky for the whole of the body something is being done.
Christ didn't come to allow people to remain comfortable in their sinful lives. If you think He came with the intent of those who followed Him learning to tolerate those who oppose Him, you know very little of His purpose.
You have chosen to lose your salvation at this point.
It doesn't mean we should sit back and let others be led down the same path by those who have chosen to not accept to inerrancy of the Word of God.
CF explains it is not specifically speaking of the Catholic church.
Even the demons believe and shudder.
I believe I can fly. Guess I'm a bird.
I am a member of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church by looking at unity, holiness, universality, and apostolicity SPIRITUALLY. Knowledge of God alone is no proof of salvation. Demons are fallen angels and they know God. They have seen God. There are many kinds of "FAITH". Many of them are "dead faith" and the other faith is true faith. True faith is that produces something and its living faith. "Oh," but he says "I believe, I believe," "Yeah," he says, "The devils believe and they tremble." Faith is not enough to believe unless that person's faith results in an act of commitment to Christ that results in a changed life that bears fruit. Jesus is the truth. True faith hears, believes, and actively responds from the heart. Faith comes as a result of the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit-He quickens our hearts to believe. Apart from the new birth, there can be no true faith.CF explains it is not specifically speaking of the Catholic church.
Even the demons believe and shudder.
I believe I can fly. Guess I'm a bird.
It's honestly sad how much vitriol is coming from people wearing Christian icons and how much forgiveness and willingness to start new is coming from the atheists. I guess that by their fruits we will know them after all..
I am all for voicing opinions but when all those opinions are based on is speculation and not even on the post made by Erwin and when those opinions simply tear people down and insult non-Christians and non-Nicene Christians then they cannot be allowed to stand without correction. Love and forgiveness is central to Christianity and if there is not love or forgiveness then there is not a Christian behind the words. There are ways to respectfully disagree shown in this thread but you will have to read the atheists posts to find the best examples. It seems to me that some Christians have a lot to learn from the filthy atheists that they are so scared of.I think we can and must voice our opinions while all is up in the air, to not vioce them is wrong. When all is said and done would be a good time to button it but as David did all he could while the baby still might have life, we must do our part, when it's dead and buried then is the time to carry on.
Does this mean we will all have to have Catholic Icons near our names.?I am a member of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church by looking at unity, holiness, universality, and apostolicity SPIRITUALLY. Knowledge of God alone is no proof of salvation. Demons are fallen angels and they know God. They have seen God. There are many kinds of "FAITH". Many of them are "dead faith" and the other faith is true faith. True faith is that produces something and its living faith. "Oh," but he says "I believe, I believe," "Yeah," he says, "The devils believe and they tremble." Faith is not enough to believe unless that person's faith results in an act of commitment to Christ that results in a changed life that bears fruit. Jesus is the truth. True faith hears, believes, and actively responds from the heart. Faith comes as a result of the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit-He quickens our hearts to believe. Apart from the new birth, there can be no true faith.
We are, in fact, told to be in the world.
I see nothing in this new system that goes contrary to God's word.
We have scripture and we need nothing outside of it.
And this is where people are turning to Erwin's interpretation.It is good description of Biblical doctrines but it is only man's description of them it is not the word of God.
Nowhere in the proposition does it say chaos or anarchy will be allowed.
You are welcome to your words and thoughts....I see your words as hurtful and a bad witness.
The fact that more atheists are willing to be loving in this thread speaks to the state of Christianity here at CF and proves that something needs to be done and fast.
Not one in opposition has offered how this direction goes against the word of God. I see a lot of people complaining about safety being removed but nowhere in scripture are we told to gather safely. We are, in fact, told to be in the world. I see nothing in this new system that goes contrary to God's word. I also don't believe the NC is necessary at all. We have scripture and we need nothing outside of it. It is good description of Biblical doctrines but it is only man's description of them it is not the word of God.
Nowhere in the proposition does it say chaos or anarchy will be allowed. In fact it states the rules will be simplified and the congregational forums, and other forums, will be able to vote on their own rules. This is not chaos at all. It seems that you are speaking from ignorance as to what is happening. Where in Erwin's post does he assert that the forum will be lawless and without rules?
We are told to love one another and we are told the definition of love. You can couch your words however you want but they are not kind in the least. They are not patient. They are not loving which we, as Christians, are instructed to be. You are welcome to your words and thoughts but as Christians we are called to correct wrongs when we see them. If you want to try and define your words as loving in any sense that is up to you. I will point out hypocrisy where I see it and do so in the kindest manner possible. I see your words as hurtful and a bad witness. The fact that more atheists are willing to be loving in this thread speaks to the state of Christianity here at CF and proves that something needs to be done and fast. Lucky for the whole of the body something is being done.
Quote:I am all for voicing opinions but when all those opinions are based on is speculation and not even on the post made by Erwin and when those opinions simply tear people down and insult non-Christians and non-Nicene Christians then they cannot be allowed to stand without correction. Love and forgiveness is central to Christianity and if there is not love or forgiveness then there is not a Christian behind the words. There are ways to respectfully disagree shown in this thread but you will have to read the atheists posts to find the best examples. It seems to me that some Christians have a lot to learn from the filthy atheists that they are so scared of.
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