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A Nation Under God

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The U.S. proclaims itself to be a nation under God. Although that was made explicit when President Eisenhower in 1954 signed a Bill that added the words “under God” to the national anthem, God was spiritually present when the nation was formed. God is actually present in any nation whose people love Him. God through Jesus is spiritually present in such nations.

From the time the Hebrews journeyed to the Promised Land, it was recognized that a government was needed to administer over the people, that they would remain united on their way, and would be devoted to God. In Exodus 18:14-26, Moses’ father-in-law, seeing that Mosses alone was administering to the Hebrews on their way, and sensing that a degree of exhaustion set into Moses from such a task, advises Moses to set up an organization to help him administer. He says to Moses in Verses 21-23, “...look for able men FROM ALL THE PEOPLE, MEN WHO FEAR GOD, WHO ARE TRUSTWORTHY AND HATE A BRIBE, AND PLACE SUCH MEN OVER THE PEOPLE AS CHIEFS OF THOUSANDS, OF HUNDREDS, OF FIFTIES, AND OF TENS. And let them judge the people at all times. Every great matter they shall bring to you, but any small matter they shall decide themselves. So it will be easier for you, and they will bear the burden with you. IF YOU DO THIS, GOD WILL DIRECT YOU, you will be able to endure, and all this people also will go to their place in peace.”

Well...we see that at least one father-in-law is good for something, right? Historically, we’ve seen how from the time of its creation the U.S. governed in a manner appointed and elected by the people with the idea that they fear God and they be trustworthy. The fact is that throughout its history the U.S. had houses of worship with its congregants therein to remind us that God directs us.

Should a true government not be an extension of God, ruling in a manner that reflects His Purpose, ruling as God would rule? Are we who love God not united in fulfilling His Purpose, that we be conformed to the image of the Son, as laid out in Romans 8:28-29? Romans 13:1-3 says “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.”

And who are the people to be a part of this government? They are to be among ALL THE PEOPLE, not just certain ones. So, the voices of ALL THE PEOPLE must be heard, not just certain ones. And if only the voices of certain ones are heard, as the rest are left out, would the rulers who are selected be a terror to bad conduct? Seems that such a government would be a terror to good conduct perceived by God, and therefore not recognized by Him. To be sure as to the inclusiveness of such a government, Galatians 3:28-29 says “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”

To the extent of all of us who are such heirs and who live under the U.S.’s sovereignty, we are to be all included and be equally subject to the administration and the rules set forth by a government under God, that rules as if God physically set foot in our country.
 

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FROM ALL THE PEOPLE, MEN WHO FEAR GOD, WHO ARE TRUSTWORTHY AND HATE A BRIBE, AND PLACE SUCH MEN OVER THE PEOPLE AS CHIEFS OF THOUSANDS, OF HUNDREDS, OF FIFTIES, AND OF TENS. And let them judge the people at all times.

This is the model for democracy.
 
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Romans 13:1-3 says “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

This applies to each nation.
 
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The U.S. proclaims itself to be a nation under God. Although that was made explicit when President Eisenhower in 1954 signed a Bill that added the words “under God” to the national anthem, God was spiritually present when the nation was formed. God is actually present in any nation whose people love Him. God through Jesus is spiritually present in such nations.

From the time the Hebrews journeyed to the Promised Land, it was recognized that a government was needed to administer over the people, that they would remain united on their way, and would be devoted to God. In Exodus 18:14-26, Moses’ father-in-law, seeing that Mosses alone was administering to the Hebrews on their way, and sensing that a degree of exhaustion set into Moses from such a task, advises Moses to set up an organization to help him administer. He says to Moses in Verses 21-23, “...look for able men FROM ALL THE PEOPLE, MEN WHO FEAR GOD, WHO ARE TRUSTWORTHY AND HATE A BRIBE, AND PLACE SUCH MEN OVER THE PEOPLE AS CHIEFS OF THOUSANDS, OF HUNDREDS, OF FIFTIES, AND OF TENS. And let them judge the people at all times. Every great matter they shall bring to you, but any small matter they shall decide themselves. So it will be easier for you, and they will bear the burden with you. IF YOU DO THIS, GOD WILL DIRECT YOU, you will be able to endure, and all this people also will go to their place in peace.”

Well...we see that at least one father-in-law is good for something, right? Historically, we’ve seen how from the time of its creation the U.S. governed in a manner appointed and elected by the people with the idea that they fear God and they be trustworthy. The fact is that throughout its history the U.S. had houses of worship with its congregants therein to remind us that God directs us.

Should a true government not be an extension of God, ruling in a manner that reflects His Purpose, ruling as God would rule? Are we who love God not united in fulfilling His Purpose, that we be conformed to the image of the Son, as laid out in Romans 8:28-29? Romans 13:1-3 says “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.”

And who are the people to be a part of this government? They are to be among ALL THE PEOPLE, not just certain ones. So, the voices of ALL THE PEOPLE must be heard, not just certain ones. And if only the voices of certain ones are heard, as the rest are left out, would the rulers who are selected be a terror to bad conduct? Seems that such a government would be a terror to good conduct perceived by God, and therefore not recognized by Him. To be sure as to the inclusiveness of such a government, Galatians 3:28-29 says “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”

To the extent of all of us who are such heirs and who live under the U.S.’s sovereignty, we are to be all included and be equally subject to the administration and the rules set forth by a government under God, that rules as if God physically set foot in our country.

That was pretty much how it was in the beginning of the U.S. as a Christian nation, until false ones began creeping in.

The sectarians try to relegate creation of the western Christian nations to illuminated men only, attempting to leave God's Hand out of it. The U.S. founders knew better though, because many of the early leaders in the U.S. were also Christian pastors, and held Sunday Church for the public at the White House (as still shown in early paintings displayed at the White House).
 
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To the extent of all of us who are such heirs and who live under the U.S.’s sovereignty, we are to be all included and be equally subject to the administration and the rules set forth by a government under God, that rules as if God physically set foot in our country.
The Founding Fathers did believe in the sovereignty of God and inalienable human rights as God-given, but not that the country should be a theocracy. The laws were to be in accord with a Constitution, but not necessarily the Bible. The difference is hard for some people to appreciate, but that's how the Founders saw the matter.
 
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The Founding Fathers did believe in the sovereignty of God and inalienable human rights as God-given, but not that the country should be a theocracy. The laws were to be in accord with a Constitution, not the Bible. The difference is hard for some people to appreciate, but that's how the Founders saw the matter.

Whoa! Much of the laws written in the U.S. Constitution are... from God's Word.

This is why the Supreme Court building had all the wood carvings (even the double entrance doors to courtroom) of Moses carrying the Tablets of stone. And what is sad is that guides for tourists have been told to lie about those carvings of Moses with The Ten Commandments, and say it's about some sectarian philosophy baloney, just on par with the secret society's false teachings

Even the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution giving the people the right to bear arms is based on Luke 22 with Jesus telling His disciples to go buy a sword if they didn't have one.
 
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Whoa! Much of the laws written in the U.S. Constitution are... from God's Word.
All right, but if they are incorporated into the Constitution, it's the Constitution that governs. No one can say that the Bible trumps it, so Americans must therefore keep the Sabbath or etc. purely because "it's in the Bible."
 
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All right, but if they are incorporated into the Constitution, it's the Constitution that governs. No one can say that the Bible trumps it, so Americans must therefore keep the Sabbath or etc. purely because "it's in the Bible."

One of the prophecies I missed for a long time was Genesis 49:10 where Jacob gave each of his 12 sons a prophecy of what would befall them in the "last days".

For Judah, the royal scepter was not to depart from him, nor a lawgiver from between his feet... until Jesus comes...

Gen 49:10
10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

KJV

What I see in western society with the care of law, are many Jews in positions of the law, even orthodox unbelieving Jews, and it's mainly because of God's promise to Judah there. So whether or not we as Christians want to recognize many of God's laws from the Old Testament Books still being in effect, many of them actually are by God's Hand via that promise to Judah.

Likewise, one of the responsibilities of the king line of Judah (sceptre) was care of God's Word on earth (sorry mr. pope).
 
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