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TheFathersDaughter

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About homosexuality, sexuality in general, liberalism, conservativeness, and everything else that seems to be a hot topic in this forum. This isn't a sarcastic list, it's real truths. Just to make sure these are established.

Truths about Homosexuality
These aren't debated truths like about choice or genetics. These are obvious, observable truths).

Truth #1 - All homosexuals are not promiscuous. Some certainly are, just like heterosexuality, but many based around a single partner.

Truth #2 - Homosexuals can, and in many cases do, want children. Homosexuals are just as likely to have the ability to raise a family as any heterosexual.

Truth #3 - Homosexuals can not always change. Whether or not it is choice is irrelevant.

Truth #4 - Some homosexuals are driven to suicide because of being told they're "unnatural" or because they are depressed over not being able to change.

Truth #5 - Some homosexuals never "come out of the closet".

Truth #6 - Not all homosexuals show behaviors of the opposite gender (like a boy acting like a girl). In fact, very few truly gay people act like that.

Truth #7 - Hollywood or famous public figures are not necessarily the best place to turn when looking for examples of homosexual behavior.

Truth #8 - ALL HOMOSEXUALS ARE DIFFERENT. Homosexuality, like race, doesn't necessarily make that person any different. Unlike race, unless they tell you or introduce you to their same-sex S.O. you could never tell that he was any different from you.

Truths About Homosexuality in the Bible

Truth #1 - New English translations of the Bible use the term 'homosexuality'. It is agreed that 'homosexuality' was not an official term in the Hebrew language until long after the Bible was published however.

Truth #2
- The Bible never illustrates a gay relationship. But never SPECIFICALLY denies or looks negatively at the relationship, only the promiscuity or sexuality.

Truth #3
- All intimate, Biblical relationships are heterosexual. BUT they illustrate romance and love as much as betrayal, denial and sinfulness in those relationships.

Truth #4 - Sodom and Gomorrah were not specifically destroyed for homosexuality. Whether or not it was a factor can not be fairly determined. But can't be dismissed either.

Truth #5 - Christ never mentions homosexuality. Furthermore, He only lightly touches on marriage. It can not be taken from that that Christ rejected homosexuality.

Truth #6
- Although no homosexual marriage is mentioned, it can not be determined that the lack of mention makes it immoral. See Truth #5.

Truths About Sexuality

Truth #1 - All sexuality can lead to sin.

Truth #2
- "Practicing homo/heterosexual" would literally mean "someone who practices attraction or sexual meeting with someone of the opposite/same gender". So on either side, practicing is a wrong term to us.

Truths About Sexuality in the Bible

Truth #1 - Christ says "Anyone who looks at a women with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with his heart". Adultery is a sexually immoral sin and is in the same category as homosexuality.

Truth #2 - Sexuality or romance of any kind is discouraged by Paul in the Bible (in terms of literalism).

Truth #3 - Sex was created originally to connect a couple, not only to create children. Furthermore, not all people are called to have children.

Truths About Conservativeness

Truth #1 - Conservativeness is the desire for tradition and discouragement of extreme change.

Truth #2 - Not all conservatives believe homosexuality is sin.

Truth #3 - Conservatives are not necessarily fundamentalists.

Truth #4 - "Fundies" is an snide and uncalled for shortening of fundamentalist.

Truths About Liberalism

Truth #1 - Liberalism is the desire for change in attempt to help environment and government, directed by PERSONAL views.

Truth #2 - Not all liberals believe homosexuality is not a sin.

Truth #3 - Martin Luther King Jr., Gandhi, Christ and other great leaders were a liberals of His time.

Truth #4
- Liberal Christianity is an improper term for a Christian who may be more questioning about indirect commands of the Bible.

Truth #5 - "Hippie"
is an snide and uncalled for nickname for liberals.

Ultimate Truth - One can't be judging so quickly by labels or even by comparison, physically, mentally or emotionally. In the end, we are only the same in the color we bleed.
 

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Sure did read them, nothing but pro-gay propaganda.

Strange, seeing as not everything was positive.

NewGuy, do you have some problem with complimenting me, or worse, agreeing? I would gladly compliment you if I had the opportunity.
 
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Strange, seeing as not everything was positive.

NewGuy, do you have some problem with complimenting me, or worse, agreeing? I would gladly compliment you if I had the opportunity.
Nah, I just don't see anything to agree with yet.
 
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Nope, because you are insinuating that it's possible that homosexuality wont lead to sin and it always will.

Actually, I'm insinuating that all sexuality may lead to sin. Exactly as it says.
 
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Truth #3 - Homosexuals can not always change. Whether or not it is choice is irrelevant.

How can the ability to choose be irrelevant when talking about change?

Truths About Homosexuality in the Bible


Truth #2
- The Bible never illustrates a gay relationship. But never SPECIFICALLY denies or looks negatively at the relationship, only the promiscuity or sexuality.


24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. Genesis 2:24

" 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. Leviticus 18:22

These do not look negatively at same-sex sexual relationships?

Truth #5 - Christ never mentions homosexuality. Furthermore, He only lightly touches on marriage. It can not be taken from that that Christ rejected homosexuality.

The Bible, the Written Word, is a reflection of Christ, the Living Word. The Words don't have to be in red for them to be attributed to the One WHo inspired them.


Truth #6
- Although no homosexual marriage is mentioned, it can not be determined that the lack of mention makes it immoral. See Truth #5.
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If God says 10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 1 Cor 7:10 and he tells us that

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. Genesis 2:24, how does one not see homosexual marriage as wrong.

If a wife must not separate from her husband, and that is the command given to the MARRIED, how can someone not see that "marriage" of any other type ain't in God's plan?




Truth #2 - Not all conservatives believe homosexuality is sin.


We do believe what God's Word says about the committing of homosexul acts.

Truth #3 - Conservatives are not necessarily fundamentalists.

Is a fundamentalist a bad thing?
 
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As dayhicker said everything can lead to sin, so why mention sexuality?

To clarify. Seeing as I've noticed people seem to deny that heterosexuality can be connected to sin.

I haven't seen anyone say anything about homosexuals not being able to have kids in this forum either but it still deserved mentioning. I'm not trying to combat a single problem. I'm just trying to get some points across.

Hence why I'm a little disappointed you can't find anything to agree with on that list.

Even though I openly defended conservativeness.
 
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"Do not lie with a man as you would a women" has nothing to do with the relationship. Because you don't have to be in a relationship to have sex with someone, and you don't have to have sex with someone you're in a relationship with.

People claim Jesus said something, literally, in human form, about homosexuality. That truth is just clarifying He never does.

Simple, the Bible was also written so that if they speak of an individual, it's always male, even if it's spoken to everyone in the church. By that logic, we can assume sin doesn't apply to women. Of course, it does. You can't base assumptions off of what is not said.

No, you do believe. Some conservatives don't. They're still conservatives. But they believe in the translations that said homosexuality isn't mentioned is all.

And no, it's not. Again, I'm only stating that not all are and it's wrong to tie the two together like you can't have one without the other.
 
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"Do not lie with a man as you would a women" has nothing to do with the relationship. Because you don't have to be in a relationship to have sex with someone, and you don't have to have sex with someone you're in a relationship with.

But in this regard you said
The Bible never illustrates a gay relationship. But never SPECIFICALLY denies or looks negatively at the relationship, only the promiscuity or sexuality.

Why not just call it a relationship or that they are friends if there is nothing sexual about it? What's the purpose in calling what you're talking about a GAY relationship?

People claim Jesus said something, literally, in human form, about homosexuality. That truth is just clarifying He never does.

I keep saying homosexual acts.
 
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I haven't seen you defend conservatives. But considering we are debating homosexuality I don't see why I should say that heterosexuality leads to sin. Only perversions of heterosexuality lead to sin like homosexuality.
 
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Just because Jesus made no mention of it, does not mean that it is no longer a sin. He didn't mention every sin listed in the Old Testament, that doesn't mean they aren't sins anymore.

The Bible makes it clear that the only sexuality that is ok is sexuality between a man and a woman who are married. Man and woman. Therefore, the bible does look negatively on homosexual relationships.

Homosexual marriage was never mentioned because if you were a homosexual, you were stoned to death, because it is a sin. That and, see my previous point.

I understand what you are getting that and it is this: Homosexuals are people too. However, the Bible does make it that their lifestyle is wrong. God bless.
 
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