A few tips for creationists.

AV1611VET · Sep 10, 2008

ChordatesLegacy said:
They were not scientists full stop.

So are you know going to continue spouting the same bull manure about Germany being run by scientists, when you have been shown that this is not true.

That'll be the day, when I'm shown Germany (or, more appropriately, the Third Reich) wasn't run by scientists.

ChordatesLegacy · Sep 10, 2008

AV1611VET said:
Hey --- if you don't think these guys were scientists, that's your prerogative. If you think all that stuff was pseudoscience, or whatever it was, again, that's your call. I happen to think otherwise.

Show me any evidence or links to evidence that shows top Nazis to be scientists.

I have given a list of top Nazis with link that shows quite categorically that they were most definitely not scientists.

Cabal · Sep 10, 2008

AV1611VET said:
That'll be the day, when I'm shown Germany (or, more appropriately, the Third Reich) wasn't run by scientists.

Again, AV, it would help immensely if we knew who you're talking about. Are you talking about Hitler et al? Or are you claiming that the leftover scientists were the power behind the throne?

Vene · Sep 10, 2008

AV1611VET said:
I disagree --- was the V2 built by pseudoscience?

Are you going to blame Issac Newton for this? That's the science they used. I'm talking about the actual "research" the Nazis did, not the established ideas they used. I'm talking about the horrific things Josef Mengele did. That was not science, that was torture and him trying to support his flawed beliefs. No "science" the Nazis researched is used today. It's complete and total garbage.

And you (yet again) ignore stuff like "Gott Mitt Uns" and the actions of Christian leaders.

Vene · Sep 10, 2008

AV1611VET said:
That'll be the day, when I'm shown Germany (or, more appropriately, the Third Reich) wasn't run by scientists.

You're the one making the claim they were ran by scientists. What scientists are you talking about. Go on, back up your assertions. I know it's a new concept for you.

ChordatesLegacy · Sep 10, 2008

AV1611VET said:
That'll be the day, when I'm shown Germany (or, more appropriately, the Third Reich) wasn't run by scientists.

The Nazis were Christian fundamentalists, including Hitler

Deutsche Christen

German Christians constituted the strongest Protestant movement in Germany after the 1932 Church elections, with the aim of synthesising Christianity with the ideology of National Socialism. There were various groups within the Deutsche Christians, some more radical than others, but united in the goal of establishing a national socialist Protestantism [9] Deutsche Christen abolished the Jewish traditions, some but not all rejected the Old Testament altogether. They rejected academic theology as sterile and not populist enough and were often anti-Catholic. On November 1933, A Protestant mass rally of the Deutsche Christians, which brought together a record 20 000 persons, passed three resolutions:

Adolf Hitler is the completion of the reformation,
Baptized Jews are to be dismissed from the Church
The Old Testament is to be excluded from Sacred Scriptures. [10]

Adolf Hitler converted to Protestantism and joined the German Christians, according to the National Secretary Klundt on April 25, 1933 in Königsberg, Eastern Prussia [11] An official confirmation or denial was not issued by the Chancellor.

ChordatesLegacy · Sep 10, 2008

AV1611VET said:
That'll be the day, when I'm shown Germany (or, more appropriately, the Third Reich) wasn't run by scientists.

Reichs Bishop Ludwig Müller

Ludwig Müller (1883 - 1945 ) after his first meeting with Hitler was convinced that he had a divine responsibility to promote Hitler and his ideals,[12] and together with Hitler, he favoured a unified Reichskirche of Protestants and Catholics. This Reichskirche was to be a loose federation in the form of a council, but subordinated to the National Socialist State.[13] Ludwig Müller headed the German Christians which increased to about 600 000 members in the mid-thirties and won all Church elections since 1932, after dissenters were silenced by expulsion or violence.[14] However he could not deliver on conforming all Christians to National Socialistism, and Hitlers condescending attitudes toward protestants increased: "Protestant clergy, dont believe in anything except their well-being and office".[15][16] However, the personal relation between Reichsbischof Müller and Hitler remained cordial and good to 1945, when both committed suicide. Of lasting value of Bishop Müller's efforts was the recognition of the National Socialist State of "The German Evangelical Church" as a legal entity on July 14, 1933, al law which promised a melting of State, people and Church into one body. [17]

LINK

The Nazis loved religion and were religious.

AintNoMonkey · Sep 10, 2008

All of your well-evidenced arguments are useless! I'm going with what my BRAIN tells me is right, world be damned! I hate science, I hate hitler... HITLER MOST LIKELY HAD A BS IN MARINE BIOLOGY!!!

I WIN.

AV1611VET · Sep 10, 2008

ChordatesLegacy said:
Show me any evidence or links to evidence that shows top Nazis to be scientists.

QV please

Cabal · Sep 10, 2008

AintNoMonkey said:
All of your well-evidenced arguments are useless! I'm going with what my BRAIN tells me is right, world be damned! I hate science, I hate hitler... HITLER MOST LIKELY HAD A BS IN MARINE BIOLOGY!!!

I WIN.

Now, don't be silly, ANM, obviously Hitler was a particle physicist and built the LHC in order to create an army of magnetic monopoles to annihilate the Allied forces.

Either that, or he was a string theorist.

Cabal · Sep 10, 2008

AV1611VET said:
QV please

Erm... the summary says Hitler didn't listen to scientists. And none of the scientists mentioned ran the country. And the US created the most devastating weapon of war by using the scientists running away from Germany. If this went into Nazi ideology and its views on science then maybe it would be vaguely relevant.....

Well, cheers for backing our side up at least.....

AintNoMonkey · Sep 10, 2008

Cabal said:
Now, don't be silly, ANM, obviously Hitler was a particle physicist and built the LHC in order to create an army of magnetic monopoles to annihilate the Allied forces.

Either that, or he was a string theorist.

See, now what you did here is you ruined the cute. It was cute until you made it about physics. Now it sucks.

Cabal · Sep 10, 2008

AintNoMonkey said:
See, now what you did here is you ruined the cute. It was cute until you made it about physics. Now it sucks.

NO U

AV1611VET · Sep 10, 2008

Cabal said:
Erm... the summary says Hitler didn't listen to scientists. And none of the scientists mentioned ran the country. And the US created the most devastating weapon of war by using the scientists running away from Germany. If this went into Nazi ideology and its views on science then maybe it would be vaguely relevant.....

Well, cheers for backing our side up at least.....

I knew it supported your side as well --- I just wanted you to see the title of the book --- Hitler's Scientists.

AintNoMonkey · Sep 10, 2008

Cabal said:
NO U

AintNoMonkey · Sep 10, 2008

AV1611VET said:
I knew it supported your side as well --- I just wanted you to see the title of the book --- Hitler's Scientists.

Oh gosh, a country of millions, some of whom were scientists working for the government? UNHEARD OF!

Vene · Sep 10, 2008

AV1611VET said:
QV please

You just failed so badly I think I have whiplash.
This is directly from the site:
"1933, pseudo-science quickly became the order of the day. Even the Jewish scientists who had brought glory to Germany (Einstein and Roentgen) and those who guaranteed its military might (Haber) were considered expendable. Germans, desperate to recover from the punishing sanctions of the Versailles treaty, and in thrall to their Fuhrer's oratorical prowess, could not see that their leader didn't know what he was talking about when it came to technology. In love with his own grandiosity and sense of destiny, Hitler opined, mostly erroneously, on matters far outside his ken. His small-minded opinions nixed Germany's chance to develop jet fighters (pilots would black out!) and atomic weapons (too tainted by Jewish theorists)."

Good job AV, you are demolishing your own argument.

AV1611VET · Sep 10, 2008

Vene said:
Good job AV, you are demolishing your own argument.

I read the article through before I posted it, and knew it would be used against me; but again, as long as you see a website that calls them Hitler's scientists, that's okay with me. I'm not alone in what I believe.

Naraoia · Sep 10, 2008

So... any country that has scientists working for the government is run by scientists? Is that your reasoning?

Cabal · Sep 10, 2008

AV1611VET said:
I knew it supported your side as well --- I just wanted you to see the title of the book --- Hitler's Scientists.

Sure. But you stated that Nazi Germany was run by scientists. The scientists mentioned by that book (the only ones referred to so far) definitely weren't in his inner circle running Nazi Germany. I personally don't recall saying that no scientists worked for Hitler, I tend to leave the "No True Scotsman/Christian/Scientist" arguments for your side.

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