A few bad eggs

I don't play the end-times prediction game, but I find something kind of neato-keen about the fact that wastewater injection from hydraulic fracking is causing an increase in the frequency of earthquakes, and that many fans of the apocalypse point to the increased frequency of earthquakes as a sign that the end is nigh.

So tell me, should we, as Christians, pressure our government to put a stop to hydraulic fracking, because it is clearly a tool that the antichrist is using to bring about the apocalypse? Or should we, as Christians, be heavily in favor of increased hydraulic fracking, because it will further increase the frequency of earthquakes, thus facilitating the return of Christ.?

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BTW, interesting that you claimed that Yarddog was not examining "any evidence ever," yet when asked for evidence to back up your claims you failed to do so.

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The only problem she received from me was doing what you are doing. Asking her to provide some proof or even evidence to back up her claims. In short, she provided none and when I proved others wrong, she claimed that my sites were liberal and couldn't be trusted.

*eyeroll*

Can I get a "Christians for Gay Marriage" bumper sticker here?

TheChristianSurvivalGuide said:

Can I get a "Christians for Gay Marriage" bumper sticker here?

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You could try putting one in your sig, but it might get zotted by the mods.

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No, I do not. That is why I asked you to offer proof to back up your claim.



Yes, I do. I have not seen any "signs in the sky that Scripture speaks of". Since you claim that such signs exist, perhaps you could back up your claim and identify them.



It does not show that the number of earthquakes is increasing. If you have proof to the contrary please provide it.



No, but the fact that much of the US is experencing a severe winter does not mean that "the number of extreme weather incidents is increasing." People made that same claim back in 1816, the Year with a Summer." The world didn't end then.

Again, if you have proof to the contrary please provide it.



In debate burden of proof rests with the affirmative. You claimed these things are happening, therefore it is up to you to prove it. If you fail to do so then you have failed to meet that burden.

BTW, interesting that you claimed that Yarddog was not examining "any evidence ever," yet when asked for evidence to back up your claims you failed to do so.



I have not criticized you for "looking elsewhere" for your news. I yave simply asked you to offer proof to support your claims.

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I have been on Christian forums for many years. Posting "proof" is only posting a differing opinion because it never changes anyone's mind and it is extremely time-consuming for me to post them. You will want me then to provide proof of the proof. I'll have to defend my alternative news sites.

No offense but I'm more concerned about my own education of the facts and what lies ahead for the U.S. You obviously don't care since you also believe the mainstream thinking in this country. Jesus said it would be the same as in the time of Noah. Many people were shocked when the rain wouldn't stop and the flood began. I believe it will happen all over again except differently since the world will not be destroyed by water. And all of you naysayers will be caught off guard because you believed you were safe in the great U.S. with all of your modern conveniences and huge government which you trusted to take care of you.

I simply give my opinion and if you're not satisfied with that, too bad. It's up to everyone to make the decision to watch the signs of the times as we've been told to or not. You can wear blinders and compare the signs to times past. That's up to you too. I'm going on to study more and prepare myself for the massive decline coming to this country as well as the world.

Psalm 91 said:

I have been on Christian forums for many years.

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So have I.

Posting "proof" is only posting a differing opinion because it never changes anyone's mind and it is extremely time-consuming for me to post them. You will want me then to provide proof of the proof. I'll have to defend my alternative news sites.

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In otherwords, all you have is opinion. You have no facts to support your claims.

No offense but I'm more concerned about my own education of the facts and what lies ahead for the U.S.

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What facts? You refuse to provide any.

You obviously don't care since you also believe the mainstream thinking in this country.

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Actually what I have done is to simply ask you to provide evidence in support of your claims.

Jesus said it would be the same as in the time of Noah. Many people were shocked when the rain wouldn't stop and the flood began. I believe it will happen all over again except differently since the world will not be destroyed by water. And all of you naysayers will be caught off guard because you believed you were safe in the great U.S. with all of your modern conveniences and huge government which you trusted to take care of you.

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But you have provided nothing but your opinion.

I simply give my opinion and if you're not satisfied with that, too bad.

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But if all you are providing is your opinion, please don't claim that posters are not examining "any evidence ever" if you refuse to provide any evidence.

BTW, you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. But when you make specific claims--that the number of earthquakes are increasing, that there are signs of the endtimes in the sky, etc. then you should be able to back them with evidence. As I said before burden of proof rests with the affirmative.

Archivist - very good post.

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Archivist - very good post.

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He said the exact same thing which I said to her and she gave him the same answers. If you don't take her word for it, she becomes very critical of you.

Archivist said:

So have I.



In otherwords, all you have is opinion. You have no facts to support your claims.



What facts? You refuse to provide any.



Actually what I have done is to simply ask you to provide evidence in support of your claims.



But you have provided nothing but your opinion.



But if all you are providing is your opinion, please don't claim that posters are not examining "any evidence ever" if you refuse to provide any evidence.

BTW, you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. But when you make specific claims--that the number of earthquakes are increasing, that there are signs of the endtimes in the sky, etc. then you should be able to back them with evidence. As I said before burden of proof rests with the affirmative.

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That's right. I have provided my opinion. The reason why you are asking me over and over again for proof is not because you'd like to learn anything. You could have already known the answers yourself if you were interested. But the only thing you are interested in is sticking to your mainstream thinking.

Most of the people who post here do not have an open heart and I know that. If your heart is not open I'm not going to waste time looking up articles to show you that things are much worse than most in this country know and I'm not going to try to convince you that Jesus is coming back a lot sooner than anyone here believes. You all think that I am going to weird conspiracy sites and believing every word I read. Actually, I go to Christian sites where true Christian teachers have learned prophecy. Many of them are well known and they have informants which give them information along with the tremendous amount of research that they do. They cannot give proof of what they say and they never do because none of it has happened yet. And yet you all with your closed hearts expect me to prove to you what is going to happen. The signs in the sky are the chemtrails being delivered which are causing major allergy and respiratory problems for people, poisoning our food and causing honey bees to become disoriented and unable to find their way back to the hives, just to mention a few side effects. The more complicated signs are the UFO's which if you know about Mount Hermon in Arizona, the Vatican owns a very huge telescope called Lucifer, an acronym, which should never be used, IMO. That is a fact that you can easily check out, IF YOU CARE. The Jesuits run it and they have stated that the UFO's are always out there and in fact become annoying at times. IMO, these are demons and in most other's opinions. That will be the great delusion. There are other signs but I think I've given you enough to make fun of for tonight.

I'm done. Have fun criticizing me because I won't go and look through the archives of my sites and post articles for you, as if it would change any of your minds.

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I'm done. Have fun criticizing me because I won't go and look through the archives of my sites and post articles for you, as if it would change any of your minds.

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Than understand that when you assert something to be true nobody will believe you.

TheChristianSurvivalGuide said:

Than understand that when you assert something to be true nobody will believe you.

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You can only speak for what you will do. And as far as you are concerned, I don't care if you believe me or not.

Psalm 91 said:

You can only speak for what you will do. And as far as you are concerned, I don't care if you believe me or not.

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Fair enough, stating that nobody will believe you was an inclusive statement and that was not proper. What I should have said is that few will have good reason to believe you.

I am assuming that you are here at a Christian message board to converse with other Christians. That seems like a reasonable assumption but certainly feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

So, if I am correct and in fact you are here to converse with other Christians - it begs the question: Do you want to be taken seriously?

Psalm 91 said:

That's right. I have provided my opinion.

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Then do not say that other posters are not examining "any evidence ever" if all you are willing to provide is your opinion.

The reason why you are asking me over and over again for proof is not because you'd like to learn anything.

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You are making an assumption.

You could have already known the answers yourself if you were interested.

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The sources that I have consulted have provided me with answers. You say that those sources are wrong. I am simply asking for you to provide evidence to support what you are saying. That is a basic rule of debate, that you provide evidence to support your position.

But the only thing you are interested in is sticking to your mainstream thinking.

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Again you are making an assumption.

Most of the people who post here do not have an open heart and I know that. If your heart is not open I'm not going to waste time looking up articles to show you that things are much worse than most in this country know and I'm not going to try to convince you that Jesus is coming back a lot sooner than anyone here believes. You all think that I am going to weird conspiracy sites and believing every word I read. Actually, I go to Christian sites where true Christian teachers have learned prophecy. Many of them are well known and they have informants which give them information along with the tremendous amount of research that they do. They cannot give proof of what they say and they never do because none of it has happened yet. And yet you all with your closed hearts expect me to prove to you what is going to happen. The signs in the sky are the chemtrails being delivered which are causing major allergy and respiratory problems for people, poisoning our food and causing honey bees to become disoriented and unable to find their way back to the hives, just to mention a few side effects. The more complicated signs are the UFO's which if you know about Mount Hermon in Arizona, the Vatican owns a very huge telescope called Lucifer, an acronym, which should never be used, IMO. That is a fact that you can easily check out, IF YOU CARE. The Jesuits run it and they have stated that the UFO's are always out there and in fact become annoying at times. IMO, these are demons and in most other's opinions. That will be the great delusion. There are other signs but I think I've given you enough to make fun of for tonight. I'm done. Have fun criticizing me because I won't go and look through the archives of my sites and post articles for you, as if it would change any of your minds.

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Once again, do not say that other posters are not examining "any evidence ever" if all you are willing to provide is your opinion without supporting evidence.

TheChristianSurvivalGuide said:

Archivist - very good post.

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Thank you!

Archivist said:

Then do not say that other posters are not examining "any evidence ever" if all you are willing to provide is your opinion.



You are making an assumption.



The sources that I have consulted have provided me with answers. You say that those sources are wrong. I am simply asking for you to provide evidence to support what you are saying. That is a basic rule of debate, that you provide evidence to support your position.



Again you are making an assumption.



Once again, do not say that other posters are not examining "any evidence ever" if all you are willing to provide is your opinion without supporting evidence.

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I'm not here to try to convince anyone or change anyone's heart. Only God can do that. When I speak about the issues of today and what the ultimate agenda is, I'm simply warning you. I can't prove that the elites are evil and are planning to decrease the population by 90% in the future. I can't prove to you that 9/11 was planned by the elites to turn Americans against Muslims so that America could invade two Muslim countries. I can't prove to you that the Republican vs. Democrat fight is just theatre to keep people fighting with each other. There is no difference between the two, but unless your heart, eyes and ears are open, you won't realize it.

Since I came to this forum I realized within a week that about 90% of the people posting were liberal in their views. IMO, that is not compatible with Christianity because the political platform which liberals adhere to contains abortion. That is a heinous, barbaric and evil murder which shows a general lack of respect for life. Therefore, IMO, I have very little in common with most of the people here. I find this forum to be a huge sign of the times and yet the people are totally unaware that they are advancing the agenda of the elites.

If you posted an article "proving" that they could perform "painless" abortions in the 20th week do you think it would change my mind? No. Absolutely not. So why would you bother? Murder is murder whether it's painful or not. It's the same with the liberals here. Anything I post is not going to change their minds. So I'm not going to waste my time. I say what I feel is important to say. It's up to God whether you are going to become curious enough to research those in power on your own. No one knows exactly how the future chaos will play out but God. If you prefer to go along with the crowd and live like everything will go along as it has for thousands of years, that is your choice. But I have a right to my opinions and to say what I want to say.

All of your criticism and threats of not believing anything I say does not bother me because you wouldn't believe if I posted a million articles. You wouldn't even read them. I posted a few down in the Current Events section and the person requesting them never read them, criticized the sources and accused one of sending spyware. I don't usually bother with articles but I did it to prove that it wouldn't change anything and as usual, it didn't change anything.

I know that I am a sincere Christian and I rely on Jesus for my guidance. I don't lie to people. I tell the truth. The Word of God says to watch the signs of the times and be ready. The Word also says that the Tribulation will be worse than any time in history, but that seems to be forgotten. To me that is chilling, especially when I think of the Dark Ages. Israel became a state in 1948, which means we are very close to a major change. If you have not seen a change in American culture in the last 50yrs. then you are way behind and may never be able to see the problems we have in this country. It is a fact that there are more earthquakes and natural disasters now more than ever and that can be found easily, but people choose not to believe it. It doesn't matter if it is due to "fracking" or just happening naturally. It's happening. God uses things and people to fulfill His will.

So it's not my plan to change people's minds. I state my opinions from the hours I have spent online and with my nose in books reading since the 1990's. You can all call me a "nut" if you want. I don't care. I do care about my fellow Christians and I so hope they will wake up before it is too late, but that is up to God also. It's very hard to switch gears from following the crowd all of your life to suddenly realizing you might have to step away and think about some things that are uncomfortable. The security of fellowship, whether they have strayed away from the Word or not, is difficult to let go of. You know the saying, "there is strength in numbers". That strength can feel safe for awhile but eventually we will all have to survive on our own with God's help. Jesus is coming soon.

This is what you just made me think of -

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I'm not here to try to convince anyone or change anyone's heart. Only God can do that. When I speak about the issues of today and what the ultimate agenda is, I'm simply warning you. I can't prove that the elites are evil and are planning to decrease the population by 90% in the future. I can't prove to you that 9/11 was planned by the elites to turn Americans against Muslims so that America could invade two Muslim countries. I can't prove to you that the Republican vs. Democrat fight is just theatre to keep people fighting with each other. There is no difference between the two, but unless your heart, eyes and ears are open, you won't realize it.

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But I didn't ask you to prove anything like that. I simply asked for evidence to support three of your claims:

Exactly what are these "signs in the sky that Scripture speaks of"?

What eveidence do you have showing that the number of earthquakes is increasing?

What evidence do you have that the number of extreme weather incidents is increasing?

Since I came to this forum I realized within a week that about 90% of the people posting were liberal in their views. IMO, that is not compatible with Christianity because the political platform which liberals adhere to contains abortion. That is a heinous, barbaric and evil murder which shows a general lack of respect for life. Therefore, IMO, I have very little in common with most of the people here. I find this forum to be a huge sign of the times and yet the people are totally unaware that they are advancing the agenda of the elites.

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But I didn't ask for any evidence regarding abortion. However if, as you claim, there are "signs in the sky that Scripture speaks of," it should be easy for you to identify those signs.

If you posted an article "proving" that they could perform "painless" abortions in the 20th week do you think it would change my mind? No. Absolutely not. So why would you bother? Murder is murder whether it's painful or not. It's the same with the liberals here. Anything I post is not going to change their minds. So I'm not going to waste my time. I say what I feel is important to say. It's up to God whether you are going to become curious enough to research those in power on your own. No one knows exactly how the future chaos will play out but God. If you prefer to go along with the crowd and live like everything will go along as it has for thousands of years, that is your choice. But I have a right to my opinions and to say what I want to say.

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Again, I didn't ask about abortion. But if the number of earthquakes is increasing you should be able to offer evidence to support your claim. If taht is just your opinion, please don't say that others are ignoring evidence.

All of your criticism and threats

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What threats?????

of not believing anything I say does not bother me because you wouldn't believe if I posted a million articles. You wouldn't even read them.

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Maybe, amybe not.

I posted a few down in the Current Events section and the person requesting them never read them, criticized the sources and accused one of sending spyware. I don't usually bother with articles but I did it to prove that it wouldn't change anything and as usual, it didn't change anything.

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Simply posting links doesn't mean that the person on the other side has to accept them. However, it then puts the ball of disproving them in his/her court.

I know that I am a sincere Christian and I rely on Jesus for my guidance.

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Cool. That is two of us.

I don't lie to people. I tell the truth. The Word of God says to watch the signs of the times and be ready. The Word also says that the Tribulation will be worse than any time in history, but that seems to be forgotten. To me that is chilling, especially when I think of the Dark Ages. Israel became a state in 1948, which means we are very close to a major change. If you have not seen a change in American culture in the last 50yrs. then you are way behind and may never be able to see the problems we have in this country.

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Then offer evidence to support your opinion.

It is a fact that there are more earthquakes and natural disasters now more than ever and that can be found easily, but people choose not to believe it. It doesn't matter if it is due to "fracking" or just happening naturally. It's happening. God uses things and people to fulfill His will.

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Here you are claiming this as a "fact." If that is so it should be easily proven.

So it's not my plan to change people's minds. I state my opinions from the hours I have spent online and with my nose in books reading since the 1990's. You can all call me a "nut" if you want. I don't care. I do care about my fellow Christians and I so hope they will wake up before it is too late, but that is up to God also. It's very hard to switch gears from following the crowd all of your life to suddenly realizing you might have to step away and think about some things that are uncomfortable. The security of fellowship, whether they have strayed away from the Word or not, is difficult to let go of. You know the saying, "there is strength in numbers". That strength can feel safe for awhile but eventually we will all have to survive on our own with God's help. Jesus is coming soon.[/QUOTE]

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But I didn't ask you to prove anything like that. I simply asked for evidence to support three of your claims:

Exactly what are these "signs in the sky that Scripture speaks of"?

What eveidence do you have showing that the number of earthquakes is increasing?

What evidence do you have that the number of extreme weather incidents is increasing?



But I didn't ask for any evidence regarding abortion. However if, as you claim, there are "signs in the sky that Scripture speaks of," it should be easy for you to identify those signs.



Again, I didn't ask about abortion. But if the number of earthquakes is increasing you should be able to offer evidence to support your claim. If taht is just your opinion, please don't say that others are ignoring evidence.



What threats?????



Maybe, amybe not.



Simply posting links doesn't mean that the person on the other side has to accept them. However, it then puts the ball of disproving them in his/her court.



Cool. That is two of us.



Then offer evidence to support your opinion.



Here you are claiming this as a "fact." If that is so it should be easily proven.

So it's not my plan to change people's minds. I state my opinions from the hours I have spent online and with my nose in books reading since the 1990's. You can all call me a "nut" if you want. I don't care. I do care about my fellow Christians and I so hope they will wake up before it is too late, but that is up to God also. It's very hard to switch gears from following the crowd all of your life to suddenly realizing you might have to step away and think about some things that are uncomfortable. The security of fellowship, whether they have strayed away from the Word or not, is difficult to let go of. You know the saying, "there is strength in numbers". That strength can feel safe for awhile but eventually we will all have to survive on our own with God's help. Jesus is coming soon.

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What part of NO don't you understand? There are no mainstream reports of anything Biblical. Or of anything which might confirm Bible prophecy. You just want ME to look it up, which I already have in the past, and post it and I'm telling you "no". When you really care about something, you try to find it online. The fact that you keep pestering me to look it up for you says you just want to challenge my sources.

Yours or someone's threat that they wouldn't believe anything I said was the threat I was speaking about.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.