A evil guy ask you for help!

[Paul-martin]

Well i believe Jw have the right doctrine, as they say when you have learn the doctrine of jw there is no turning back because they reveals things, things that are hidden things that aren’t like the trith behind birthdays, or Christmas, also JW wasn’t the first one who found that out this stuff. The first Christian didn’t celebrate birthdays and the Christians who came to USA in the 1600 didn’t do so either, i recommend the documentary “Jeremiah Films - Christmas Unwrapped”. Also I recommened that you guys should found out the true story about the trinity, martin Luther didn’t finished the job.

So what is my problem well JW well they ask for more then any outer Christian organisation, go to there meting like 3 times a week preaching much much, you can’t play poker for cash, you can’t met females by the internet or are strongly advised not to do so.

Also my belief isn’t that extremely stong seen all this with evolution and everything, also the bible must be totally renterpreted, JW is a bit better they don’t believe it in the literary creation days, but they still believe there was a flood 4k year ago (instead they should believe in telescope genecology).

Then all the scientifically discover, with the evolution, why do it have to be this hard why can’t god help me if he are real maybe I am too bad) ….



Thank you for your time

 

[woobadooba]

Well i believe Jw have the right doctrine, as they say when you have learn the doctrine of jw there is no turning back because they reveals things, things that are hidden things that aren’t like the trith behind birthdays, or Christmas, also JW wasn’t the first one who found that out this stuff. The first Christian didn’t celebrate birthdays and the Christians who came to USA in the 1600 didn’t do so either, i recommend the documentary “Jeremiah Films - Christmas Unwrapped”. Also I recommened that you guys should found out the true story about the trinity, martin Luther didn’t finished the job.

So what is my problem well JW well they ask for more then any outer Christian organisation, go to there meting like 3 times a week preaching much much, you can’t play poker for cash, you can’t met females by the internet or are strongly advised not to do so.

Also my belief isn’t that extremely stong seen all this with evolution and everything, also the bible must be totally renterpreted, JW is a bit better they don’t believe it in the literary creation days, but they still believe there was a flood 4k year ago (instead they should believe in telescope genecology).

Then all the scientifically discover, with the evolution, why do it have to be this hard why can’t god help me if he are real maybe I am too bad) ….



Thank you for your time

I really don't understand what you are getting at here. Are you promoting the JW faith, or are you questioning it?

 

[Paul-martin]

Thank you for your reply, you see i am a rationalist, 1+1=2 not 3, even if i would like it to be 3, about the promoting JW part, it was jsut a way for me to say that there are no outer christian faith for me then JW's ...

But seen i am a rationalist who must question everything, who want a belife of 100 percent things get hard, and my spirit gets weak ...

Kindly Paul-Martin

 

[woobadooba]

Thank you for your reply, you see i am a rationalist, 1+1=2 not 3, even if i would like it to be 3, about the promoting JW part, it was jsut a way for me to say that there are no outer christian faith for me then JW's ...

But seen i am a rationalist who must question everything, who want a belife of 100 percent things get hard, and my spirit gets weak ...

Kindly Paul-Martin

So you are convinced that JWs theology is 100% correct, or are you questioning its accuracy?

Please note: I'm not trying to debate with you, I'm just trying to figure out what you are struggling with. This is the general struggles forum.

If what you are struggling with is the fact that you feel that everything must be 100% rational all the time, then does this mean you are questioning the JW faith, or are you trying to promote it as that which you believe to be 100% rational?

 

[Anti Existance]

You are mistaken, there is no such thing as a 'right' religion in this world. God introduced so many religions in this world, because everyone is on a 'different' spiritual level,they merely acts as stepping stones that lead back to God, and the 'real' truth, that God is love. Thus a religion what can be good for you can be wrong for someone else.

When someone feels uneasy with one religion, it means that they've learned everything that that religion has to offer, and that person is ready for a higher reality that is more in line with what God truelly represents.

The reality that you stumbled upon is that the bible is made by humans and contains mistakes. Now you are trying to filter out the mistakes in the bible and doctrines to confirm for yourself wether God is true or not. Which is perfectly normal, but wrong in that sense that you shouldn't read a bible in that way. A bible should be read prayfully and it will speak to you.

How many times you attend a meeting is irrelevant, the meaning of life is to love and help others. Thus the amount of love that you have in yourself for others and for others determines where you end up. Heaven and hell are a state of mind, and not places. And there are many more truths out there for you to discover, one of them is that God is real.

 

[Paul-martin]

You are mistaken, there is no such thing as a 'right' religion in this world. God introduced so many religions in this world, because everyone is on a 'different' spiritual level,they merely acts as stepping stones that lead back to God, and the 'real' truth, that God is love. Thus a religion what can be good for you can be wrong for someone else.

When someone feels uneasy with one religion, it means that they've learned everything that that religion has to offer, and that person is ready for a higher reality that is more in line with what God truelly represents.

The reality that you stumbled upon is that the bible is made by humans and contains mistakes. Now you are trying to filter out the mistakes in the bible and doctrines to confirm for yourself wether God is true or not. Which is perfectly normal, but wrong in that sense that you shouldn't read a bible in that way. A bible should be read prayfully and it will speak to you.

How many times you attend a meeting is irrelevant, the meaning of life is to love and help others. Thus the amount of love that you have in yourself for others and for others determines where you end up. Heaven and hell are a state of mind, and not places. And there are many more truths out there for you to discover, one of them is that God is real.

Well i wont to say thx again to the guy who send me a private pm if he now read this tpoic again.

for you Anti Existance there is not point with god if he don’t exist, life is short you Childs may die before you, you may come to the knowledge that god is everything you have, but if you don’t have a 100% belief in god and he ask much of you depending on what doctrine then it may be tricky,.

So what is this topic about I want a strong belief in god that is what this topic is about, if god exist, then we talk about my life, eternal death or be with god forever. If this is true. If I will intapretat the bible traditional the answer is easy.

also I don’t want to speak about the details seen I am not here to bring you down with me, I am here, because the last thing who leave a human is the hope ….

No wors can dicribe who embarresing I think this is god bless that you are anonym in internet.

 

[Anti Existance]

If you want something to enhance your faith. www.near-death.com, thousands of people who had Near death experiences tell here, what they found in the afterlife, and only confirm that Yes, there is a God, yes he does love you, and yes you are an eternal living being.

There are even records of atheists in it, who also experience a life after death, despite their disbelief in God.

 

[Onlythingavailable]

I'm not going to debate about JW, but I suggest you study their theology and so on carefully.

Evolution, and other theories conflicting with the Bible, are all man made. It's not that I denounce them , I just can't accept them as 100 % true. I believe God could have used evolution to create life, but it's also possible he didn't. The Bible doesn't go into specifics.

And what if it's a "test", to see if you take human wisdom over the word of God? I think it's kind of irrelevant how God created the universe, as long as you recognize it was He who did it, and that He could have used whatever methods He wanted. Of course, if you have a "scientific job", you might need more clarity. But don't ever forget that God is infinitely greater than any human mind!

 

[Paul-martin]

If you want something to enhance your faith. www.near-death.com, thousands of people who had Near death experiences tell here, what they found in the afterlife, and only confirm that Yes, there is a God, yes he does love you, and yes you are an eternal living being.

There are even records of atheists in it, who also experience a life after death, despite their disbelief in God.

That have been disproved scientifically, but it still it could be true, because there starting standpoint from the start is that it is untrue …

 

[livingword26]

The JW do not believe that Jesus is God.They believe that He is an angel, specifically the Archangel Micheal, who is by the way, the brother of Satan. I myself beleive that God is my savior, not an angel. I also believe that the bible backs up this position. They also beleive that the 144,000 spoken of in revelation 14:3-4, are the only ones going to heaven, these poeple are the elders of their church of course. The rest of the saved live on earth. They beleive that works are necassary to get saved, that the grace of God and the work of Christ on the cross is not enough. I know some of them, and they are very nice people, but they have been decieved about a great many things. If you want to know the truth, seek God for yourself and read the bible, not the New World bible that the JW use. It has been altered to prove their doctrine. God is real and He will speak to you Himself. That is what He wants, and that is what Jesus died for. So you could be reconciled to God. Here and now. As far as there being a "right religion" there is only one. It is Christianity. It has a lot of problems and many different factions. Most of these are caused by peoples pride and not wanting to accept the truth about themselves. But there aren't different truths for people on different paths or levels. There is only one truth, one God and one Savior. The bible is not made by humans, and it is not full of mistakes. It is the word of God.

2Pe 1:21
(21) For prophecy was not borne at any time by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke being borne along by the Holy Spirit.


Joh 14:6-9
(6) Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me.
(7) If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also. And from now on you know Him and have seen Him.
(8) Philip said to Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.
(9) Jesus said to him, Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father?

1Jo 2:26-28
(26) These things I have written to you concerning those leading you astray.
(27) But the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true and no lie, and as He has taught you, abide in Him.
(28) And now, little children, abide in Him, so that when He is revealed, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him in His coming.

 

[goldenviolet]

MOD HAT
the OP is NOT debating. he is asking for support in finding where he belongs. this topic indeed borders our debate rules. i could issue alerts and move thread, however, i understand posting in recovery is much more supportive than the non-christian forum. i'll ask you that you all do not continue to post your points on this thread. once you've had your say about JW, do not return to post unless it is solely for fellowship and personal support and encouragement. thank you.
MOT HAT OFF

Paul-martin, faith is built. we all go through places where we evaluate ourself and beliefs. surround yourself with God's word and God's people. people have lots of answers but only God has the right ones. pray and ask God to reveal Himself to you. look to Him in His word. you will find him. and being around God's people will teach you too. God uses people. test everything you learn with scripture.

some lies in the world are nice looking and feeling... and even have a sparkle of small specks of 'truth' in it. it's tempting to look for answers from people. it's tempting to think the answer is as simple as going to church and fallowing rules. but God's word is alive! it meets us right where we are. feeds us enough until we are ready for more. look for your answers in scripture.