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RDKirk

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Since when is saying you are against something defamation? It is going to be that the truth of the bible will not be able to be preached, oh wait they are already working on that

Moving the goalpost.


I was responding to a specific erroneous statement made by grasping after the wind.

In fact, there are laws that prohibit speech that harms another person in certain ways, in some cases even if the speech is a "truth." Those laws have existed for decades.
 
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And in this, he "offended" a very small portion of the US population. Something to remember though, the man is a redneck from the swamps of Louisiana. Tact isn't part of his vocabulary.
 
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Can you name one they show that is negative to the gay lifestyle? TV Schedule: tbs.com - TV Shows - Television Shows - very funny

Oh come on, there are many shows that are positive to the lifestyle on many channels so why cant someone say that they oppose the lifestyle and call it sin? Do that and watch what happens, oh yeah we just did.

Moving the goalposts! No, actually, changing the game entirely.

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seems to e that the first amendment just got trampled. They have no problem showing the gay lifestyle so why not opposing opinions? That is now a dead channel to me

You were implying that A&E itself should show both opinions. If that's true for A&E, it should be true for TBN.

But because TBN is certainly free to show only lifestyles it believes are acceptable, the same is true for A&E.
 
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I don't think he should be asked to abandon his beliefs, so if this is true, it's a bit ridiculous. And had he stuck to simply stating, "I believe homosexuality is a sin due to my religious beliefs," I rather doubt he would have seen any repercussions. However, his language was inflammatory and incendiary. Did he need to refer to vaginas, anuses, bestiality, etc to state something like, "I think it's a sin"? These remarks are what got him in hot water, not the belief itself.

Also, no one seems to care about his waxing poetically about the Jim Crow days...
 
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Yes. All people are sinners. But does that warrant comparing all people to people who have sex with animals?

In a way, yes. All sin is evil in God's eyes, regardless of its severity in ours. The upshot though, is that all of us can be saved from our sins through Jesus. If we deny that certain things are sinful for fear of offending them, we commit the ultimate hate speech. We insulate them from God's love.
 
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Also, no one seems to care about his waxing poetically about the Jim Crow days...

I noted and do care...but I'm neither surprised that he holds both opinions, nor am I surprised that some people are incensed over one and not the other.

I'm just annoyed that they're Christians.
 
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seems to e that the first amendment just got trampled. They have no problem showing the gay lifestyle so why not opposing opinions? That is now a dead channel to me
What are you talking about? What does a private company's decision to only express certain viewpoints on their channel have to do with freedom of speech?
Also, no one seems to care about his waxing poetically about the Jim Crow days...
Yes, I wish those comments were getting more attention.
 
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No, you're moving the goalposts. The man's comments were not made on air, and A&E airs the show, knowing full well his religious beliefs. Iirc, they tried to stop the ending prayer said by Phil Robertson at the end of every show, and failed once before, so this is an excuse to get what they wanted through another means. Period. http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/857...us-stop-praying-jesus-wouldnt-offend-muslims/
 
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And in this, he "offended" a very small portion of the US population.
Wrong. More than 50% of the US population (polls this year have said 53-58%) is in favor of same-sex marriage, which means that an even higher percentage disapproves of such comments.
 
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Wrong. More than 50% of the US population (polls this year have said 53-58%) is in favor of same-sex marriage, which means that an even higher percentage disapproves of such comments.
First, please provide a link to the poll, with questions and the spread of people polled.
Second, the last study (iirc) showed the homosexual community is between 1-5% of the US population. That's the small percentage I'm talking about. Besides, approval of one aspect, does not equal approval of all aspects, but now we're getting off topic, and vearing dangerously close to discussion of homosexuality. Let's get back on topic.
 
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You have to realize that's not true.

Here is the code of morality which Scripture itself teaches that we are to adhere to:

So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. (Galatians 5:16-26,NIV)

There is also a clear warning to all who think that they can live a lifestyle dictated by the sinful nature and still obtain salvation:

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. (Galatians 6:7-8,NIV)

Those who claim that as long as we pay lipservice to Jesus Christ's sacrifice we can indulge in a sinful lifestyle without fear of repercussions ignore much of what Scripture itself teaches us. As St. James wrote in his epistle, our faith is completed by our works, and without those works as evidence of that faith, the faith is false.
 
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Those who claim that as long as we pay lipservice to Jesus Christ's sacrifice we can indulge in a sinful lifestyle without fear of repercussions ignore much of what Scripture itself teaches us.
If this is how you feel, you must think that Christians are a small minority in the US.
Since when does a poll determine sin or right and wrong? We truly are living in a day when right is wrong and wrong is right
No one said it did. I was correcting the claim that only a small percentage of people are offended by homophobia.
 
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Personally I would like to call on all christans to boycott not only that show but every show on A&E until he is reinstated

So... you complain that the First Amendment got trampled by A&E (even though it didn't) and now you want to "trample" 2 parts of the same amendment by violating their Freedom of Speech and Association?
 
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No one said it did. I was correcting the claim that only a small percentage of people are offended by homophobia.

Prove the above statement. Prove that what Phil Robertson said was done so out of homophobia, or that anyone else who feels the same is homophobic. Otherwise this is a false statement. I've seen this more and more in my day to day life, and these types of comments are used to silence the other side. So prove it.
 
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I don think it's overblown and certainly no surprise. This is a so-called reality show and the standards are different (some would say lower) than for a scripted production.

If I were the producers, I'd find the most outspoken gay folks in Podunk, LA and let Mr. Not-gay have lunch as one segment. Might be a boost to ratings. Then everybody gets more money and everybody gets happier.
 
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