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Missing out on something, maybe?I’m really baffled as to why some members want to partake of the Euchaeist of churches which believe in a doctrine, the Real Presence, which they reject.
Judge not...Judgement.
Agreed - but I wasn't the one doing the judging.Judge not...
Agreed - but I wasn't the one doing the judging.
The judgement was that some people have an obsession with wanting to receive communion in a Catholic church.
Parking of the eucharist/communion is an outward sign of being properly prepared as well as unity with the church that you are taking it at. If you are not Catholic then you are not prepared or in unity with the church, why would you want to pretend otherwise? I am in an impaired state with the RCC and can't take communion either. The Eucharist matters to the Catholic Church, it isn't just a symbol and it isn't just sharing a meal - it is the literal body and blood of Christ, it isn't just a sign or symbol. If one attends a denomination where it is just a symbol or sign then fine, we can all partake as that is just a symbolic gesture.So ALL friends of Jesus should be welcome at his table in EVERY church.
Follow the Bible on salvation. Your salvation does not depend upon assurance or reasonable assurance from any man. We have been saved through Baptism but can fall. Again:There's a lot of things that Jesus knows that we don't. God, after all
Officially those with reasonable assurance is categorically not assurance only. Reasonable assurance includes mandatory doubt
As far as I am concerned I would not be pretending anything.Parking of the eucharist/communion is an outward sign of being properly prepared as well as unity with the church that you are taking it at. If you are not Catholic then you are not prepared or in unity with the church, why would you want to pretend otherwise?
According to the Catholic church, maybe not.I am in an impaired state with the RCC and can't take communion either.
It matters to me too.The Eucharist matters to the Catholic Church,
When we have communion the Minister says "the body of Christ to keep you in eternal life" - that is what it is and that is what we receive.it isn't just a symbol and it isn't just sharing a meal - it is the literal body and blood of Christ,
It is indeed a "hard saying," I would go to a Catholic Church and pray before the Lord in the Holy Eucharist and ask Him to reveal to you if it is really Him inside of the tabernacle. You are welcome to attend a mass, very welcome, just not to participate in receiving Jesus in the Holy Eucharist. Realize that most Catholics at this moment in time would not be allowed to receive communion, we are to be properly disposed.I can't say that I ever had an obsession with it, but it isn't something I detest. It's just that THEY feel the need to contest my presence if I don't give my full assent to the totality of Magisterial dogmas.
Sorry y'all. But I still luv my Catholic brethren though.
It is indeed a "hard saying," I would go to a Catholic Church and pray before the Lord in the Holy Eucharist and ask Him to reveal to you if it is really Him inside of the tabernacle. You are welcome to attend a mass, very welcome, just not to participate in receiving Jesus in the Holy Eucharist. Realize that most Catholics at this moment in time would not be allowed to receive communion, we are to be properly disposed.
A sense of entitlement maybe? It baffles me too. It's like going to a wedding and being mad you can't walk up in the middle of the service and try on the rings yourself.I’m really baffled as to why some members want to partake of the Eucharist of churches which believe in a doctrine, the Real Presence, which they reject.
I’m really baffled as to why some members want to partake of the Euchaeist of churches which believe in a doctrine, the Real Presence, which they reject.
I can't speak for anyone else, but you clearly haven't read my reply.A sense of entitlement maybe? It baffles me too. It's like going to a wedding and being mad you can't walk up in the middle of the service and try on the rings yourself.
But now, from what I've engaged through further study and by the general attitude of all you "Catholic" and/or "Orthodox" fellow Trinitarian Christians in this here thread, I don't think I'll be exchanging (or accommodating) my minimalist, philosophical theology any time soon.
That's right, unity takes more than just saying "I believe in Jesus, I demand that you accept me and give me communion even though I utterly reject the Holy Eucharist as the real body and blood of Jesus Christ. And I demand membership even though I completely reject your bishops and priests and confession and all those terrible "Popery" things". yep, that is not acceptable as unity to Catholics, I cannot see why anybody would call that unity..... up until about two weeks ago, I was trying to look for possible churches who might permit the exploration of natural science, methodological naturalism and the theory of evolution without cutting me off over it.
But now, from what I've engaged through further study and by the general attitude of all you "Catholic" and/or "Orthodox" fellow Trinitarian Christians in this here thread, I don't think I'll be exchanging (or accommodating) my minimalist, philosophical theology any time soon.
If I have to jump through a bunch of additional doctrinal hoops just to be "accepted," then unity as Catholics see it can take a hike.
It has been a cause for some to go into schism for many many centuries. Why would it be otherwise now?The 'real presence' has become a divisive demand rather than a Grace as the Wind of the Spirit blows.
if such persons do not have an obsession with it then why do they write so many complaints about not receiving communion in a Catholic Church when they are Protestants who reject the core of Catholic teaching?Agreed - but I wasn't the one doing the judging.
The judgement was that some people have an obsession with wanting to receive communion in a Catholic church.
The 'real presence' has become a divisive demand rather than a Grace as the Wind of the Spirit blows.
I have, even though I usually have you ignored. It speaks to an astounding lack of even basic familiarity with the traditional Christian (and, I would add more specifically, the traditional Methodist) understanding of communion. Being a guest at another church entitles you to their sacraments no more than being a guest at a wedding entitles you to try on the rings.I can't speak for anyone else, but you clearly haven't read my reply.
when they are Protestants
But then again, that kind of ecumenist nonsense is part of why I didn't become Roman Catholic when I left Methodism.
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