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A Complete Skull from Dmanisi
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<blockquote data-quote="biggles53" data-source="post: 64504097" data-attributes="member: 217105"><p>Steve, USInc and others are correct....this thread should be about the evolutionary/creationist divide over the significance of the latest hominid discovery...</p><p> </p><p>And there is a link between that and what we have been derailing the thread over....</p><p> </p><p>The situation for creationists and committed Christians like yourself (I still don't know why you felt it necessary to lie about your religious beliefs initially..?) is that <strong>you commence with a foregone conclusion about what the truth MUST be</strong>, and then all understanding flows from this...</p><p> </p><p>In other words, understanding is based upon faith...and that's a contradiction in terms...! You will see the contortions that creationists have to put themselves through in the earlier part of this thread (and in others), whereby the discovery of this skull somehow <strong>has</strong> to cast doubt on evolutionary theory......Why...? Because they have already made the decision that evolutionary theory MUST be false because it conflicts with their faith....and so, ANY piece of evidence which is uncovered from the fossil record MUST be made to fit that faith-based position...</p><p> </p><p>In the same way that you have tied yourself in knots....because your <em>faith</em> instructs you that you must obey the wishes of your god, you place yourself in the position of agreeing to an action (the killing of your own son) which I think you would<em> never really do</em>.....but because you have backed yourself into a 'faith corner', you cant see how you can agree to anything else....right?</p><p> </p><p>I think it's Peter Bagoosian (sp?) who describes 'faith' best....he says it's 'pretending to know what you can't know'.....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="biggles53, post: 64504097, member: 217105"] Steve, USInc and others are correct....this thread should be about the evolutionary/creationist divide over the significance of the latest hominid discovery... And there is a link between that and what we have been derailing the thread over.... The situation for creationists and committed Christians like yourself (I still don't know why you felt it necessary to lie about your religious beliefs initially..?) is that [B]you commence with a foregone conclusion about what the truth MUST be[/B], and then all understanding flows from this... In other words, understanding is based upon faith...and that's a contradiction in terms...! You will see the contortions that creationists have to put themselves through in the earlier part of this thread (and in others), whereby the discovery of this skull somehow [B]has[/B] to cast doubt on evolutionary theory......Why...? Because they have already made the decision that evolutionary theory MUST be false because it conflicts with their faith....and so, ANY piece of evidence which is uncovered from the fossil record MUST be made to fit that faith-based position... In the same way that you have tied yourself in knots....because your [I]faith[/I] instructs you that you must obey the wishes of your god, you place yourself in the position of agreeing to an action (the killing of your own son) which I think you would[I] never really do[/I].....but because you have backed yourself into a 'faith corner', you cant see how you can agree to anything else....right? I think it's Peter Bagoosian (sp?) who describes 'faith' best....he says it's 'pretending to know what you can't know'..... [/QUOTE]
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