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A Compendium of Cheney Lies

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Borealis said:
My irony meter just went off the charts. 'Global village?' The NEA? Hello, McFly! The entire concept of the government social safety net was Franklin Roosevelt's contribution to American society. And don't even get me started on Clinton.


I believe that your irony meter is broken. It's social/religious conservatives have a great deal to be ashamed about when it comes to intrusions into peoples personal lives. In fact, of all of the vaious groups, social/religious conservatives have the absolute worst record.

Attempts to have official prayers in schools
Attempts to regulate how people have sex
Attempts to regulate what people can look at
Attempts to deny the ability to form families for various people
Attempts to regulate what people do with their own bodies

The list can go on...

When it comes to imposing on people's personal lives, the religious conservatives take the cake. They simply can not deal with the idea that not everyone wants to be like them and will use government to enforce their own narrow views onto everyone for the sake of conformity to their personal preferences.
 
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Firscherscherling said:
Ok. I get it. That was your long-winded way of saying, "I don't care. the lie doesn't matter. I can build myself a house of cards to justify it."

Hey, if Dan Rather can use it...

In fact, we can add a new rule to the debates. The Republican can make up lies, and the Democrat can spend his time refuting the lies. I mean, why focus on the issues? Thats pretty much been the rule for the campaign, why not for the debates?

Well, I suppose we could reverse the way things have gone if you like. But really, why bother? Kerry's support is nowhere near as strong as some people want to think.

And you are right. Cheney is totally justified in saying they never met even thought they met on several occasions. I mean, there are 100 senators. Thats a LOT of people to remember. Poor old guy.

Well, when you are as insignificant as John Edwards...
 
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Because of course America was never populated by a vast majority of Christians, and it was only recently that people wanted to pray in school.

Attempts to regulate how people have sex

Um, no. I don't know anyone who cares who has sex with whom. I don't believe that certain things are moral, but that's another matter.

Attempts to regulate what people can look at

Such as? Pornography? Hey, I've yet to object to seeing beautiful women, but I prefer to see them treated with some respect instead of being used as toys for the perverse pleasure of strangers. But that's just me, I guess.

Attempts to deny the ability to form families for various people

Ah, yes. Gay marriage. Because everyone knows that homosexuals make the best parental groups, right? That whole 'one mother, one father' thing that developed over a few thousand years of human civilization is just some old-fashioned concept that has no real meaning in today's enlightened social atmosphere, right?

I find it ironic that some of the people who fought so hard for legalizing gay marriage here in Canada are already divorced. The first gay couple, in fact, separated a few weeks after their marriage, and finalized their divorce last month. Heartiest congratulations on their demonstration of an exercise in futility.

Attempts to regulate what people do with their own bodies

I have no problem with people doing whatever they want to their own bodies. I have a problem with people doing whatever they want to someone else's body. The logic of pro-choice is this: I can choose to do what I want with my body, because it's mine. So if I follow that logic, I can swing my arm around with a fist any time, and if someone's face happens to get in the way, hey, it was my choice to swing. They can't do anything about it, because it's my body.

Your rights to do what you want with your body end when it impacts on someone else's body. You can't hit someone, you can't kill someone, you can't steal from someone...but you can suck out an unborn child through a vacuum cleaner and toss the pieces into the garbage, because it's 'your body?'

The list can go on...

Bring it on.


You mean like...affirmative action, federally mandated education, the welfare state, and a half dozen other things I'd list if I had more time?
 
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Grizzly said:
Your statements remain to be proven. For their sake, I hope you are right. But I fear you are not.

Well, if you only listen to what Dan Rather and CNN have to say...

What? Is that true? I can't say I support that decision. I think Fox news is biased, but I would never support removing them from the airwaves.

Yes, it's true. CNN and the rest of the alphabet media have always been permitted in Canada. Fox is barred from Canadian airwaves, unless you have a gray-market satellite dish.


He was frustrated at the inane comments coming from the other side of the podium. Let's face it, Kerry was making things up out of whole cloth. I was having a hard time keeping a straight face through most of it.
 
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Firscherscherling said:
Ok. I get it. That was your long-winded way of saying, "I don't care. the lie doesn't matter. I can build myself a house of cards to justify it."
It's called reality. I realize the left has trouble with it.

In fact, we can add a new rule to the debates. The Republican can make up lies, and the Democrat can spend his time refuting the lies. I mean, why focus on the issues? Thats pretty much been the rule for the campaign, why not for the debates?
Nothing new other than Republicans would follow the Michael Moore example like Kerry/Edwards have done. Biut that's not exaclty what we are talking about.


And you are right. Cheney is totally justified in saying they never met even thought they met on several occasions. I mean, there are 100 senators. Thats a LOT of people to remember. Poor old guy.
Ok wiseguy, what significant legislation has Edwards ever proposed? Can you honestly say he has achieved anything in his POLITICAL career?
 
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I see that you refuse to admit that generally speaking, social/religious conservatives wish to impose their own religiously based morality into other people's lives. To deny that would be to deny the power based behind the GOP.
 
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crazyfingers said:
I see that you refuse to admit that generally speaking, social/religious conservatives wish to impose their own religiously based morality into other people's lives.

I wouldn't admit to that either as I don't believe it anymore than I believe you can back that accusation up with facts. However, for the sake of argument, I do not believe in same-sex marriage. If that makes me a person who "wishes to impose their own religiously based morality into other people's lives," than.... you got me.

To deny that would be to deny the power based behind the GOP.

And here I thought it was evil, corporate empires that were his power base. I can never get a straight answer on just who his base is exactly.
 
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jameseb said:
And here I thought it was evil, corporate empires that were his power base. I can never get a straight answer on just who his base is exactly.
The evil corporate empires are his money power base. Many religious conservatives are simply being co-opted into believing that Jesus is in favor of laissez-faire capitalism, health care for the sick (as long as they have money), and environmental degradation. But he needs both of them. Money from the corporations and votes from the religious conservatives.
 
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