70th Week - It Is Still Pending

BABerean2 · Sep 3, 2018

DavidPT said:
If yes, then why did Jesus indicate it wasn't for them to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power?

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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JLB777 · Sep 3, 2018

Davy said:
the 70th week which is still pending.

Yes sir that is correct.

JLB

DavidPT · Sep 3, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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Does this mean that you disagree, that once the 70 weeks are fulfilled, whether that is already the case, or still yet to be the case, it does equal restoring again the kingdom to Israel? That aside, I do agree with your connection though, with that of the 2 verses above.

claninja · Sep 3, 2018

DavidPT said:
Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Why would Daniel 9:24, once it is entirely fulfilled, not equal restoring again the kingdom to Israel? Any reason why it might not? Let's suppose one agrees that it does equal that. Look at verse 7 in Acts 1 though. If verse 6 was meaning within the next 3.5 years, IOW during the final 3.5 years of the 70th week, why would it not be for them to know that the 70 weeks are almost finished, and when it is, it equals restoring again the kingdom to Israel?

The Jews, and even the apostles, were still expecting a brick and mortar kingdom in acts 1:6

is there anytime, after the coming of the holy spirit, where the apostles preach a coming physical, brick and mortar, world politically powered, kingdom that comes by observance?

DavidPT said:
It seems pretty odd to me that the 70 weeks conclude, yet Acts 1:6-7 is not even fulfilled when it concludes.

Christ's ascension on the clouds into heaven fulfills Daniel 7:13-14
Daniel 7:13-14 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

When Christ went to a far country (ascended to heaven) he received a kingdom.
Luke 19:12 He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return

Christ is true Israel, thus the kingdom was restored to Israel upon Christ's ascension and exaltation to the right hand of the Father.

For it is written
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.

BABerean2 · Sep 3, 2018

DavidPT said:
Does this mean that you disagree, that once the 70 weeks are fulfilled, whether that is already the case, or still yet to be the case, it does equal restoring again the kingdom to Israel? That aside, I do agree with your connection though, with that of the 2 verses above.

The kingdom is found in the verse below and there is only one way to get into it, based on the words of Christ.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel of the Kingdom was taken "first" to Daniel's people for about 7 years, before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.
This was the 70th week of Daniel during the first century.

During this time period all of the passages below were fulfilled.

Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
(Quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

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DaDad · Sep 3, 2018

jgr said:
The Hebrew is there for all to use.

All you have to do is read ENGLISH:

4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.

I hope you can read (and OBEY) simple ENGLISH!
DaDad

DaDad · Sep 3, 2018

Davy said:
I don''t see the confusion folks here are having. The sevens are plainly laid out in 3 periods and are easy to calculate. The subject of who, what, how, and where are easily read, ...

Perhaps you missed the angelic guidance in Daniel 12:4 & 9, and maybe you aren't familiar with the New Bible Commentary Revised (-- among MANY others):

“This prophesy of the seventy sevens is one of the most difficult in the entire OT, and although the interpretations are almost legion, we shall confine ourselves to the discussion of three which may be regarded as of particular importance.”[1]

[1] Guthrie, D., & J.A. Motyer, New Bible Commentary: Revised, Eerdmans Publishing Co., Grand Rapids, MI, 1970, p. 699

When a person closes there eyes, all the problems revolving around this Chapter DISAPPEAR! Wilful ignorance can be a wonderful thing, so long as the person accepts the consequences:

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge;...

Thanks,
DaDad

DaDad · Sep 3, 2018

Davy said:
... The KJV uses the idea of 'weeks' instead of sevens. ...

Perhaps you should stop using a "translation" and instead use the original text. If you did, then perhaps you'd find:

“... as Young points out, the word ‘sevens’ is in the masculine plural instead of the usual feminine plural. No clear explanation is given except that Young feels ‘it was for the deliberate purpose of calling attention to the fact that the word “sevens” is employed in an unusual sense.’”

“...Young finally concludes after some discussion that Keil and Kliefoth are correct when they hold that the word ‘sevens’ does not necessarily mean year-weeks, but an intentionally indefinite designation of a period of time measured by the number seven, which chronological duration must be determined on other grounds.”[1]

[1] John Wolvoord, Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation, Moody Press, Chicago, 1971, p. 217 & 218

But then again, like my favorite Aunt used to say: My mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts. -- The difference is, she was kidding, but you're serious.

Thanks,
DaDad

jgr · Sep 3, 2018

DaDad said:
All you have to do is read ENGLISH:

4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.

I hope you can read (and OBEY) simple ENGLISH!
DaDad

That looks like a simple ENGLISH translation!! You were complaining about ENGLISH translators, and what a mess they'd made, remember?? And now you're quoting an ENGLISH translation!!

And where are you quoting from?? I thought we were discussing Daniel 9:24-27!! That's not Daniel 9:24-27!!

Is that from an RSV with no chapters, only verses??

And there's nothing for ME to obey!! Those instructions are to DANIEL!!

Any more instructions??

DaDad · Sep 3, 2018

jgr said:
The 70th week is fulfilled.

keras said:
An unproveable statement, therefore of no value whatsoever.

Hey Keras,
Actually I would propose that no one is able to explain ANYTHING regarding Daniel's 9th Chapter, except for the one who is addressing you right now. And I can not only assert that indeed the 70th "week" has been fulfilled, but explain exactly how the seventy weeks are depicted Scripturally, and fulfilled Historically.

But it seems ignorance is preferable for this audience, and so it appears it shall remain. Too bad.
DaDad

jgr · Sep 4, 2018

DaDad said:
And I can not only assert that indeed the 70th "week" has been fulfilled, but explain exactly how the seventy weeks are depicted Scripturally, and fulfilled Historically.

NOW you're talking some sense. What made you decide to start?

keras · Sep 4, 2018

For anybody to make a categorical statement like: the 70th week is history, it is the height of foolishness, because very obviously there are many things to happen before Jesus Returns. He absolutely does not 'just appear', into the world as we know it today.
Both Daniel and Revelation give us time periods that are a half of seven years.
Daniel 9:27 plainly states that the 70th week will be divided at the mid point.

It is, therefore common sense to believe there will be a 7 year period before Jesus Returns, when what is prophesied about the 'beast'; namely the Anti-Christ, will come to pass.
There may well have been a 'week', a 7 year period in the first century, that was a partial fulfilment of Daniels 70th week. Personally; I don't see it, but if others do, that's OK, because in no way does it preclude another; final 7 year period in the last days.

So, lets us not have people making wild claims and denigrating others that do believe the 70th week is still future.
All WILL be revealed and I believe quite soon now.

BABerean2 · Sep 4, 2018

keras said:
It is, therefore common sense to believe there will be a 7 year period before Jesus Returns, when what is prophesied about the 'beast'; namely the Anti-Christ, will come to pass.

Show us the antecedent in Daniel chapter 9 for an antichrist.

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keras · Sep 4, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Show us the antecedent in Daniel chapter 9 for an antichrist.

If I showed you an elephant, you wouldn't see it if you didn't want to.
But Daniel 9:27 is all about the 'beast' who, as we see in Revelation 13:1-8, is the person we refer to as the Anti-Christ.

BABerean2 · Sep 4, 2018

keras said:
If I showed you an elephant, you wouldn't see it if you didn't want to.
But Daniel 9:27 is all about the 'beast' who, as we see in Revelation 13:1-8, is the person we refer to as the Anti-Christ.

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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DaDad · Sep 4, 2018

jgr said:
... I thought we were discussing Daniel 9:24-27!!

If you want things in CONTEXT, then obey 12:4 & 9. Otherwise, please feel free to throw a dart in any direction, paint circles around it, and declare "BULLSEYE". (And the first syllable is closer to what you can assert.)

Thanks,
DaDad

DavidPT · Sep 4, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Show us the antecedent in Daniel chapter 9 for an antichrist.

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Unless you don't think Scripture can interpret Scripture, the antecedent doesn't have to be found in just Daniel chapter 9.

jgr · Sep 4, 2018

keras said:
So, lets us not have people making wild claims and denigrating others that do believe the 70th week is still future.
All WILL be revealed and I believe quite soon now.

There was no denigration for over eighteen centuries of true Church history.

Denigration began with the modernist futurist Darby and his disciples, and continues by them to this day.

All will be revealed...tomorrow.

A71 · Sep 4, 2018

keras said:
If I showed you an elephant, you wouldn't see it if you didn't want to.
But Daniel 9:27 is all about the 'beast' who, as we see in Revelation 13:1-8, is the person we refer to as the Anti-Christ.

Are you saying that the 70th week is truncated? Boom boom...

A71 · Sep 4, 2018

The bullseye is a type of jubilee, as it is worth 50

DaDad said:
If you want things in CONTEXT, then obey 12:4 & 9. Otherwise, please feel free to throw a dart in any direction, paint circles around it, and declare "BULLSEYE". (And the first syllable is closer to what you can assert.)

Thanks,
DaDad

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