7 Thunders and Eternal Life?

[YHWHisGZEZ]

Seems like someone has finally cracked open the 7 Thunders. What happens now?

This is an odd interpretation of what it means to give everyone 666. Past, present, future: Mankind created on day 6, and of the 7 kings, 5 are fallen, 1 is, and 1 is yet to come. (Revelation 17) The king that is refers to humanity, if the door to church 6, Philadelphia, brotherly love, refers to Matthew 24, "If you did it to the least, you did it to me."

I don't know the theology well enough to say. To us, Jesus seems like a rendition of the Serpent in Genesis 3:4 "You shall not surely die," where in John 3:14 "As Moses Lift up the Serpent so must the son of man be lifted up, that whoever believes on him has Eternal Life."

There is no Eternal Life in the Old Testament. Isaiah 65 and 66 offer long lifespans "The sinner will be old at age 100, but the righteous will be still be a child," but these New Testament ideas taught by Jesus, such as "Those who inherit that age cannot die anymore," or Apostle Paul's "This mortal must put on Immortality," are not compatible with the OT and don't make logical sense. The most one could do with Science is stop the aging process.

Revelation 9 "people will seek death, and death will flee from them," makes this eternal life offered by Jesus, and/or the Serpent on the Cross, offering his flesh and blood as forbidden fruit, seem all the more ominous. The Angel in Revelation says "The Waters are Peoples, Multitudes, Nations, and Tongues." Then the plagues "The waters became as a dead man, and they were given blood to drink," The people became as Christ and drank the Eucharist.

I mean I like Jesus, and I like most of his teachings, but in Psalm 91 The Messiah cannot be harmed. GOD reigns over the whole Earth, I just wish he'd create a paradise instead of giving us the terrible day of the lord. JOB complains, "the righteous suffer and the wicked prosper."

The name Jesus seems to be using this same idea in the English language:
7858 YHWH GZEZ PQNQ
I guess another name for Eucharist might be the Yahweh Jesus Picnic.

Anyways, I just wanted to bring this to your attention. Could the 7 Thunders really be something as simple as crucifying Christ, word of God, within the English Language itself?

No where that I am aware of is YHWH referred to as PI begotten by 7.

The argument here is that Strong Angel means Inanimate. Seems this angel struggles with his purpose so much he has to lock it in by swearing an Oath that there should be time no longer. Didn't Christ instruct us not to swear Oaths at all. I guess we are safe so long as he doesn't swear the Oath to lock it in, of course no one has any real power but GOD.

Revelation 10 has taken this imagery from Daniel 11, where the Angel raises up his hand. It directly precedes Daniel 12 and the Return of Michael with the Resurrection.

This is taken from some kind of Gematria site. Bible Wheel I think.

Is Jesus supposed to be the Serpent of Moses on the pole? I don't get what this is supposed to mean since, as I understand it, the Mark of the Beast is injected into the skin.

What is the Royal Key of David the Revelation says that Jesus has? Does anyone know?

 

[angelsaroundme]

The Key of David could relate to the old custom of a "key to the city" which were once usable keys. Jesus having the key means He can open all gates. "To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open." - Revelations 3:7

"In medieval times, major cities would naturally be fortified by walls and gates for the people’s protection. When a visiting hero or dignitary came to the town, the people would make an elaborate ceremony, and also present them with a key. This had a multifaceted purpose. For major merchants, it was to be able to enter the city without having to pay a toll. For local heroes, it was a sign of respect. And for visiting kings, it was a sign of both deference, but also autonomy. Sound weird? Basically, it was the town’s way of saying 'we didn’t have to let you in, but we chose to anyway.' The major common thread here is that these keys were often functional."

- What Does a Key to the City Actually Do? | Sporcle Blog

 

[Blade]

Well no one "cracked" it. How can I say that? Well no one here was there and John never wrote it down and GOD has not told anyone. Side note and it matters. To us its 666 yet its written 600,60,6. It all matters and some transcripts show 600,16,6

 

[ViaCrucis]

The Bible isn't a secret code.

While St. John's Apocalypse is written cryptically, the reason for why is actually straightforward: John was writing in the style of the apocalypse. Apocalypse is the name given to a genre of ancient literature, it was relatively popular in the 2nd Temple Period. The word apocalypse comes from the Greek apokalypsis meaning "an unveiling" or "a revealing", hence its translation into English as "Revelation" as the name of the book here, known as the Apocalypse of St. John, but frequently shortened to simply "The Revelation" in contemporary English; and often wrongly called "Revelations".

The subject matter of John's Apocalypse has been a matter of continued inquiry, debate, and lively discussion over the last two thousand years.

While it received widespread popular support very very early on among the western churches, with a number of predominantly western fathers supporting as Holy Scripture, such as Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, and Tertullian. Among the eastern churches support was far more spotty, and was frequently omitted from New Testament Canon lists even as late as the 6th/7th centuries; for this reason even today the Eastern Churches (such as the Eastern Orthodox) omit the Apocalypse from the regular cycle of Scripture readings, though reads from it in its entirety on a special day every year.

So not only has the content of the book itself been a matter of intense debate, but even as part of the New Testament Canon it is also--arguably--the most debated book to reach full consensus among Christians.

Also, the number mentioned in the Apocalypse as belonging to the Beast is six hundred and sixty-six, not six-six-six. 600+60+6 (666). And as Blade above mentioned, some early manuscripts read six hundred and sixteen, 600+10+6 (616). The "code" to understanding what St. John is talking about is when he writes that it is the number of a man's name. It has nothing to do with 6 and man being created on the 6th day. St. John is employing a very common method of identifying a person's name by the name's numerical value. Since many ancient languages employed their writing system to also write numerical information, it was not difficult to simply take the numerical values of each character in the writing system and add them up to a final number.

So, for example, Let's take the name Tiberius and convert it into Greek, which is TIBEPIOΣ. Each letter in the Greek alphabet (and some archaic Greek letters retained only for their numerical use) had a numerical value assigned, from 1-9, 10-90, and 100-900. So we take the first letter Tau, which has a value of 300, and then Iota, with a value of 10, and continue on:

300 + 10 + 2 + 5 +100 + 10 + 70 + 200 = 697

So we can say that the number of the name of Tiberius (TIBEPIOΣ) is 697.

There's nothing special about the number itself except that it is the number of a person's name. Which has been the cause for centuries of try to pin the tail on the Beast; which has also often been brought together with several other things in the Bible into a synthesized figure known as "The Antichrist". As such interpreters and exegetes have sought to identify the individual, whether historical, present, or future. Hence why many are of the opinion (myself included) that this is talking specifically of Nero, as NERON KAISER (alternatively NERO KAISER) when converted into Hebrew or Aramaic and using Hebrew/Aramaic numerals we get 666 and 616 respectively (NWRN QSR = 666, NWR QSR = 616).

But, people will fiercely argue for other interpretations. I admit that I could be wrong, it's just the position that--at present--satisfies many of my questions about the overall meaning and purpose of St. John's Apocalypse. And it's an opinion that, based on what I've seen, is among the oldest in Christian history.

But regardless of that, to properly engage the text it requires understanding what kind of text it is (and, equally important, what it isn't).

-CryptoLutheran