7 Question: If evolution is truth, then........

AnEmpiricalAgnostic · Jun 9, 2005

vajradhara said:
this entire thread with one sentence... i would say

All Your Base Belong To Us

You say that now... wait 'till you see my 'zig'!

kingreaper · Jun 9, 2005

Peruvian said:
Dear members of the forum:

IF EVOLUTION IS TRUTH......then

1. How do you know you have evolved in the right way?

Depends on what this is the right way FOR

Then I can tell you

There is no objective right way

2. What is sin?

A term in christian theology for performing n action which goes against the will of the christian god

3. What is the difference between good and evil?

In my moral philosophy: good=encourages sentient happiness
bad=discourages sentient happiness

Of course a simpler explanation is

Good= pleasurable conscience
Bad=Guilt

4. Why the DNA structure is quite organized?

It formed by the extremely organising laws of physics, and is one of their m,any emergent properties

5. Why are we living in a seven days week?

Because it takes roughly 28 days for the moon to complete one time through the phases, leading many races to devlop the 7 day week (and presumably a few had the 4 day week )

6. Why the energy travels in waves?

Which type of energy?

Sound, due to the basic properties of particle theory, and newtonian laws of motion, both of which are pretty basic to universes

Patricle-waves?

I'm not even sure they DO, let alone WHY

7. Where does the iron come from?

The supernovae of large stars

Please answer my questions, assuming that evolution is truth.

Let me tell you this, if evolution is truth you do not have an descent answer for my questions!

I answered them, despite the fact they're irrelevant to evolution

kingreaper · Jun 9, 2005

vajradhara said:
this entire thread with one sentence... i would say

All Your Base Belong To Us

The correct phrase is

All your base are belong to us

jsw_24 · Jun 9, 2005

The supernovae of large stars

Just interested. How is iron derived from this? Thanks.

AnEmpiricalAgnostic · Jun 9, 2005

kingreaper said:
The correct phrase is

kingreaper said:
All your base are belong to us

I thought the artistic license she took in messing up a messed up translation was genious myself.

AnEmpiricalAgnostic · Jun 9, 2005

jsw_24 said:
Just interested. How is iron derived from this? Thanks.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980226a.html

Loudmouth · Jun 9, 2005

jsw_24 said:
Just interested. How is iron derived from [supernovae]? Thanks.

The extreme pressure caused by a star exploding (ie supernova) causes fusion, the smashing together of atoms into larger atoms. The pressures in our sun are only strong enough to produce helium from hydrogen. However, the pressures in a supernova are much higher and can result in the formation of heavier elements such as iron, carbon, uranium, etc.

AnEmpiricalAgnostic · Jun 9, 2005

Loudmouth said:
The extreme pressure caused by a star exploding (ie supernova) causes fusion, the smashing together of atoms into larger atoms. The pressures in our sun are only strong enough to produce helium from hydrogen. However, the pressures in a supernova are much higher and can result in the formation of heavier elements such as iron, carbon, uranium, etc.

Just a quick correction LM, stars can make up to Iron.

kingreaper · Jun 9, 2005

Loudmouth said:
The extreme pressure caused by a star exploding (ie supernova) causes fusion, the smashing together of atoms into larger atoms. The pressures in our sun are only strong enough to produce helium from hydrogen. However, the pressures in a supernova are much higher and can result in the formation of heavier elements such as iron, carbon, uranium, etc.

Not carbon IIRC

Carbon can be produced in normal fusion, releasing energy

Everything up to iron produces energy when you make it in fusion, and I think that most of that stuff can be produced in normal stars

tocis · Jun 9, 2005

AnEmpiricalAgnostic said:
You say that now... wait 'till you see my 'zig'!

Oooh no! For great justice, no!

Loudmouth · Jun 9, 2005

AnEmpiricalAgnostic said:
Just a quick correction LM, stars can make up to Iron.

kingreaper said:
Not carbon IIRC

Carbon can be produced in normal fusion, releasing energy

Everything up to iron produces energy when you make it in fusion, and I think that most of that stuff can be produced in normal stars

Well, I guess that's what I get for taking bio classes instead of astrophysics classes.

Would it be fair to say that:

1. supernovae are resposible for nebulae containing these heavier elements.

2. These nebulae then form solar systems containing planets made up of these heavier elements.

3. Suns that do not supernova are less likely to lead to new solar systems containing heavier elements.

Herman Hedning · Jun 9, 2005

http://rmitz.org/AYB3.swf

Someone set us up the bomb.

tocis · Jun 10, 2005

Herman Hedning said:
http://rmitz.org/AYB3.swf

Someone set us up the bomb.

I knew I forgot at least one bizarre quote from that one. Thanks for reminding me!

Peruvian · Jun 10, 2005

Herman Hedning said:
So, are not most of these the names of pagan (Roman) gods? Only two, sabbath and Lord's day, have any christian connections.

Maybe those are sir, I do not know, but i'll be glad to learn something about it, but what your question has to do with the question at the forum?

JT

Peruvian · Jun 10, 2005

AnEmpiricalAgnostic said:
Dont get sidetracked my friend. We can get into a debate over that another time. For now all I want you to do is tell me if you understand solar fusion.

I understand solar fusion sir, but you cannot assure always has been like that.

I meant that the condition of the universe, probably never has been like that!

Herman Hedning · Jun 10, 2005

Peruvian said:
Maybe those are sir, I do not know, but i'll be glad to learn something about it, but what your question has to do with the question at the forum?

Hmm? Didn't you post as point number 5 "Why are we living in a seven day week?" and didn't post #87 in this thread say

Peruvian said:
Peris said:

if we are living a 7 day week because creation happened in 1 week, then why are the days named after pagan gods?

Click to expand...

Only in your language (english) sir!

But, you are right, I can't see what this has to do with evolution either ...
Perhaps you could elaborate?

Blackmarch · Jun 10, 2005

Peruvian said:
Dear members of the forum:

IF EVOLUTION IS TRUTH......then

1. How do you know you have evolved in the right way?

2 parts- God and how should we know that we have evolved wrongly?

2. What is sin?

Going against the will of God- how does this relate to Evolution?

3. What is the difference between good and evil?

The difference ebteween what is of God, and what is not. Barring that, whoever can enforece their morals would be the one to say what is right or wrong (if there was no God)

4. Why the DNA structure is quite organized?

God can choose or choose not to involve himself with all thedifferent aspects of evolution- answer: Both

5. Why are we living in a seven days week?

choice by culture (and from that government)

6. Why the energy travels in waves?

How god has formed physics to be in this universe

7. Where does the iron come from?

Stars both active and dead, that had fused atoms together from single hydrogen atoms and then at some point sent it into space where it eventually collected to earth by some means or another.

Illuminatus · Jun 10, 2005

Peruvian said:
I understand solar fusion sir, but you cannot assure always has been like that.

HA!

Y'all know who I think this is? What other extremely odd creationist on these forums frequently claims that the laws of physics weren't the same in the past?

Tomk80 · Jun 10, 2005

Illuminatus said:
HA!

Y'all know who I think this is? What other extremely odd creationist on these forums frequently claims that the laws of physics weren't the same in the past?

Well, it isn't like it is an uncommon claim amongst creationists. They flip/flop from absolute standpoints to relative standpoints so quick that even John Kerry wouldn't be able to follow them.

But than, I might have an idea of whom you have in mind. Could it be?

gluadys · Jun 10, 2005

Tomk80 said:
Well, it isn't like it is an uncommon claim amongst creationists. They flip/flop from absolute standpoints to relative standpoints so quick that even John Kerry wouldn't be able to follow them.

But than, I might have an idea of whom you have in mind. Could it be?

If I am also thinking of the same person, then I would say s/he has not returned as Peruvian. Writing style is too different. It would be difficult for a native English speaker to maintain a pseudo Spanish turn of phrase. And significant key words have not turned up.

Changes in the laws of physics is not an uncommon creationist notion and I have seen that from many different people.

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