666 wrong number of prophetic beast?

Man! I sure am glad that when I got a cell phone, I got it back in my home town, instead of where I went to college (Grand Rapids, MI)!

(Their area code is 616... if you didn't know, and didn't feel like looking it up)

raihna said:

If it(the scriptures in the holy bible) say the number is 6 6 6 then that is the number if you argue that one tiny part of the bible is wrong then you make the entire bible a question and that is saying Christ is a question-was he real- no -----God said it I beleive it that settles it--- as the old saying goes,the bible being the inspired words from God it is accurate.my opinions of couse but based on the word..

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I agree. However, it might, however, give us an indication of what 1'st century (or atleast some of) Christians believed.

"As Bruce Metzger points out in his Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament (1971), the numerical value of "666" is derived from the Hebrew/Aramaic values for the letters comprising the name נרון קסר, "Nero Caesar" The variant "616" results from the alternate spelling נרו קסר."

We know from Ireneus that both versions existed in early manuscripts.

Hebrew numerology is being ignored here.

7=completion, therefore, 6= incompletion.

666= magnified incompletion~

If faith in Christ makes one complete, then what makes one incomplete? Lack of faith. 666=intensified, magnified faithlessness.

Numbers in Revelation are all symbolic! (I am sure to get grief for that comment)

raihna said:

If it(the scriptures in the holy bible) say the number is 6 6 6 then that is the number if you argue that one tiny part of the bible is wrong then you make the entire bible a question

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This assumes that there are only two choices, that the Bible is all literally true, or none of it is. What place do you see for allegory or metaphor in scripture? If it were to be demonstrated that the "number" of the beast was really a metaphorical referance would that change that there is a beast? Do you expect the U.N. or some other body to elect as its leader some bizarre mutant? (Kofe Anon is odd looking, but he has only one head)

raihna said:

and that is saying Christ is a question-was he real- no -----God said it I beleive it that settles it--- as the old saying goes,the bible being the inspired words from God it is accurate.my opinions of couse but based on the word..

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That follows even less. Are you suggesting that if any portion of any book of the Bible was mistranslated then the entire Gospel is called into question? What makes you think that?

Since you seem to be writing from a fundimentalist point of view how do you reconcile the fact that some Protestant sects hold that the Bible is inerrant and inspired with the fact that the Protestant Bible is shorter by 12 - 14 books then the inspired cannon agreed to by the Church Fathers? If some of the books of the Bible used to be inspired and infallable, but now are not then how do we know that the current set are as well. Perhaps the Gnostics were right, and the "Bible" should consist of a single Gospel and the book of Acts.

raihna said:

God said it I beleive it that settles it--- as the old saying goes,

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A better rendition of this saying: "God said it, that settles it."

It doesn't matter if I believe it or not.

thomas100 said:

"As Bruce Metzger points out in his Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament (1971), the numerical value of "666" is derived from the Hebrew/Aramaic values for the letters comprising the name נרון קסר, "Nero Caesar" The variant "616" results from the alternate spelling נרו קסר."

We know from Ireneus that both versions existed in early manuscripts.

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I agree.

In Revelation, John explains to his 1st century readers that with "wisdom" and "insight" they could "calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666" Revelation 13:18. It stands to reason, therefore, that the individual John had in mind must have been alive during the 1st century. No amount of insight would have enabled 1st century Christians to identify a far-future individual.

It would have been cruel and dangerously misleading for John to suggest to first-century Christians that they could identify the Beast if, in fact, the Beast was a 21st century institution or individual.

S Walch said:

actualy, when Christians were to be crucified, in order to notify that they were christians, the romans would have the "fish symbol" we use pinned to them.
I don't recall anything in history about 666 being put on a christians forhead.

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Holly3278 said:

Just so you all know, the Mark of the Beast was something in ancient Rome where the Emperor Nero put a mark on the forehead of Christians or something like that I think. There is no "Mark of the Beast" to happen in the future.

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Rev. Smith said:

This assumes that there are only two choices, that the Bible is all literally true, or none of it is. What place do you see for allegory or metaphor in scripture? If it were to be demonstrated that the "number" of the beast was really a metaphorical referance would that change that there is a beast? Do you expect the U.N. or some other body to elect as its leader some bizarre mutant? (Kofe Anon is odd looking, but he has only one head)

That follows even less. Are you suggesting that if any portion of any book of the Bible was mistranslated then the entire Gospel is called into question? What makes you think that?

Since you seem to be writing from a fundimentalist point of view how do you reconcile the fact that some Protestant sects hold that the Bible is inerrant and inspired with the fact that the Protestant Bible is shorter by 12 - 14 books then the inspired cannon agreed to by the Church Fathers? If some of the books of the Bible used to be inspired and infallable, but now are not then how do we know that the current set are as well. Perhaps the Gnostics were right, and the "Bible" should consist of a single Gospel and the book of Acts.

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Careful....

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22:18-19

it says the number of his name writen in latin or somethink in roman numerals it adds up to 666

The number of the beast is also misleading.
9 is a very weird number... and it also looks like an upside down 6. Check out all the tricks you could pull with a 9

Monarky said:

That would mean this is wrong then and that cant be....

"Satan, the evils of satanism, only appear when sin has become a way of life, and the evil has brought an immense blanket of darkness to an area. 666, satan in human form, is wherever darkness is. He is the prince of darkness, the father of all liars, the master of deceit. And I say, My children, the master of deceit, for he is cunning beyond all human understanding." Our Lady, November 21, 1977

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I'' definitely agree with 'The Master of Deceit' and the wovles in 'Sheeps Clothing'.......

Mat 7:13“Enter through the narrow gate, because the gate is wide and the way is spacious that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Mat 7:14But the gate is narrow and the way is difficult that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Adiya said:

Careful....

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22:18-19

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And has this, end time prophecy, ever been added to and twisted to fit others agenda. Man's interpretation of scriptures should always be tested. Curious why the descendants of the original Christians do not believe this scenario that has only been around for approx 200 +/- years?


Oh course when reading th Bible one knows to take the context it was written, to whom it was written and the language of the day into account when trying to learn and understand God's Holy Word. As Christians, we believe we are all chosen and loved by the all mighty equally. After all arn't we each born a baby? Just a Baby in his image. God is SO much bigger than we humans can ever conceive!!

Context

Rev. 22:18 I testify to the one who hears the words of the prophecy contained in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described 1 in this book. 22:19 And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life 2 and in the holy city that are described in this book.



1 tn Grk “written.”

2 tc The Textus Receptus, on which the KJV rests, reads “the book” of life (ἀπὸ βίβλου, apo biblou) instead of “the tree” of life. When the Dutch humanist Desiderius Erasmus translated the NT he had access to no Greek mss for the last six verses of Revelation. So he translated the Latin Vulgate back into Greek at this point. As a result he created seventeen textual variants which were not in any Greek mss. The most notorious of these is this reading. It is thus decidedly inauthentic, while “the tree” of life, found in the best and virtually all Greek mss, is clearly authentic. The confusion was most likely due to an intra-Latin switch: The form of the word for “tree” in Latin in this passage is ligno; the word for “book” is libro. The two-letter difference accounts for an accidental alteration in some Latin mss; that “book of life” as well as “tree of life” is a common expression in the Apocalypse probably accounts for why this was not noticed by Erasmus or the KJV translators. (This textual problem is not discussed in NA27.)
http://net.bible.org/passage.php?passage=Revelation 22:18-19#v1

CanuckMuscle said:

I've never worried about the number...just be a good christian and you've nothing to fear

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Agreed... if you are serving God, then your conscience will make you aware when the time is necessary.

"But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things." - 1 John 2:20

If you look closer you will see that 666 is the number of a man and perhaps the beast is a system of government that will engulf the world.