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50 Ways to Win an Argument Against a Liberal

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UberLutheran

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50 Ways to Win an Argument Against a Liberal

1. When framing your argument, use words that aren't actually in the Bible like "abortion," "homosexuality," and "pornography."

2. Bolster your argument with ASDs (Argument Strengthening Devices). Pepper your claims liberally with words and phrases like "clearly," "obviously," "it's common knowledge that...," and "experts agree..."

3. Useful phrase: say, "Hey, I'm sorry, it's not ME that says so, it's God."

4. Useful phrase: say, "If you had the Holy Spirit you'd understand," or "Since you don't have the Holy Spirit you can't possibly understand."

5. Demand answers to irrelevant questions, such as "Why won't you admit that homosexuality is a sin?" and "Why won't you repent?"

6. Attack your opponent's credibility. If he or she is gay, tell them that they're not qualified to discuss the issue because they're only trying to justify their lifestyle. If he or she is not gay, tell them they're not qualified to discuss the issue because they can't know what it's like to be gay -- and who would support a gay person unless they, themselves were actually gay?

7. Ask your opponent which version of the Bible he uses. If your opponent says, "The NIV," you say, "Sorry, the only valid version of the Bible is the King James version," or vice versa.

8. Accuse your opponent of taking verses out of context. If your opponent asks you to explain how he's done this, say, "Don't insult me, you know how."

9. Ignore contradictory verses. Say, "If you had the Holy Spirit you'd understand," or "Since you don't have the Holy Spirit you can't possibly understand." (See #4 above.)

10. Say that your opponent is thinking with their head, and not their heart. Meaningless and irrelevant statements like this will baffle them, and they may lose their concentration while trying to get the argument back on track. More statements like this can be found on Christian bumperstickers or in the Congressional Record.

11. Tell your opponent that "most people," or "most experts," or "most scholars," agree that "homosexuality is wrong," and that your opponent holds a minority position.

12. Tell your opponent "a recent study" shows that "3-day-old zygotes can do simple calculations (short of long division)," or "homosexuality is a precursor of mad cow disease" or something equally outlandish. If your opponent asks for your source say it was in a major journal like USA Today, Readers Digest, or Parade (or on a website such as newsmax.org or worldnetdaily.com) but you don't remember which issue. Tell them to look it up if they wants to know, that you're not going to do their work for them.

13. If your opponent quotes the Bible tell him you're not impressed: even the Devil can quote scripture.

14. Useful phrase: say, "God says it, I believe it, that settles it."

15. Ask your opponent if he's willing to risk an eternity in the lake of fire on his position.

16. Whatever your opponent accuses you of doing, turn it back on them.

17. If your opponent asks you to "support your claim," tell them that's their job, not yours. Insist on this until smoke starts coming out of their ears.

If you want to look really smart:

18. If your opponent refers to the original Hebrew or Greek insist on a "plain reading" of the text. (You don't need to know what "plain reading" means, if she asks, just act insulted and accuse her of knowing good and well what it means.)

19. Tell your opponent that in the original Hebrew or Greek the verse they're referencing means something completely different. You can always claim they misunderstood you later.

20. Tell them that their "hermeneutics" or "exegesis" is flawed, or that their arguments are "fallacious", or that they're engaging in an ad hominem attack. It is not important to know what any of these terms mean. If your opponent knows what they mean and you don't they'll get completely off track trying to convince you that you've used the term incorrectly.

21. Tell your opponent you're in Mensa.

If you feel that you're losing your argument:

22. Tell your opponent you didn't mean to get them so angry, that as a Christian you love them, and will pray for them. Whatever the response, say, "Please don't get so emotional. I can see that you're clearly disturbed." Rinse. Repeat.

23. Raise the stakes. If your opponent is for homosexual rights ask him if he's in favor of pedophilia, because it's the "same thing." Call him a "baby killer," or "murderer." This will put him on the defensive and he'll get bogged down trying to defend himself.

24. Change the subject. Go vague. Start talking about how abortion or homosexuality causes cancer, or effects society in general, or causes mad cow disease, wars, slavery in the Sudan, melting icecaps, etc.

25. Demand that your opponent read a book or an article that you've pre-selected and then tell them to get back to you, that it's not your job to educate them on the subject.

26. Switch arguments. Start with, "Well, then, what about...?" inserting a new argument. Do this as many times as is necessary.

27. Accuse your opponent of "playing with semantics", "deliberate distorting the plain meaning of Scripture", "playing word games," or "trying to justify his sinful lifestyle."

28. Accuse your opponent of "knowing in their heart" that abortion or homosexuality is wrong.

29. Accuse your opponent of "hating God," and/or "hating Christians." Ask her what happened to her in her past that made her turn against God.

30. Tell your opponent you feel sorry for them, and that you'll pray for them.

31. Tell him that you used to be like him, even worse, but now Christ has changed your heart and you "just know" what's right and wrong. Ask where he gets his sense of right and wrong, his moral values. That will lead to a whole new argument.

32. Declare victory and retreat. Don't underestimate the power of this little strategy-it worked for the U.S. in Vietnam, and may work again in Iraq.

If you're typing your response:

33. Use lots of exclamation marks-up to eight, or even more-at a time!!!!!!!!!!! This will indicate to your opponent that what you are saying is true, more true, or better yet, most true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

34. DEPENDING ON HOW STRONGLY YOU FEEL ABOUT THE TOPIC TYPE SOME, MOST, OR ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT IN ALL CAPS.

35. Flood the field. Ask dozens of questions and demand that your opponent answer them all before you will continue. If your opponent misses one, accuse them of evasion and terminate the discussion.

36. Contradict yourself completely and make your opponent prove you did this. They'll have to dig through dozens and dozens of old e-mails or posts to find what you said before. If they succeed, say that they took that out of context and that you were talking about something else completely. They'll get bogged down in the confusion and probably give up.

37. If your opponent criticizes your spelling and/or grammar tell him that your native tongue is French and that you're just learning English. Tell him, "Mon Dieu, your argument must be very weak, n'est çe pas, if you have to stoop to pointing out spelling and grammar errors!!!!!!!!"

38. Attack, attack, attack your opponent but reveal nothing about your own position. Your opponent can't argue against your position if you don't reveal anything about it.

39. Get angry. REALLY angry. Use biting sarcasm, hate-filled words, judgmental phrases and pointed condescension. If you get called on your unchristlike behavior, simply say that it's "the Holy Spirit" convicting them.

40. Make sure your name/nickname is something like "super-love-reflection" or "LoveToAll" and end every attack with "Super love and peace to you." or "In total loving fellowship".

41. Randomly intersperse the words and phrases 'hypocrite', 'pot calling the kettle black', 'God will reveal to you the true answer one day', 'try reading the post again', 'Wrong.' - with no explanation. If they ask for an explanation insist, that they are 'nit picking' (another useful phrase) and that any real Christian would accept their word as gospel

42. Carefully mask insults so your opponent will point them out, then insist that you never did such a terrible thing and then ask them: “Why do you look for the bad in people instead of the good?'

43. Tell your opponent that you are 'above' this argument and will therefore withdraw. This is similar to declaring victory then withdrawing.

44. Don't forget the ol' favorite of 'huh?' or 'huh? That doesn't make any sense' - even if it does.

45. Use ‘try reading the post again' - Everyone uses this phrase when they feel they're point hasn't gotten across. And finally:

46. End every attack with "Super love and peace to you." or "In total loving fellowship" or “In Christian love” or “Praying that God will show you the way.”

47. Useful phrase: “Love the sinner, hate the sin.” or “God/I don’t hate you, God/I hates your sin.”

48. What would Jesus do? Anything we would do. Why? As True Christians, we believe the Bible is inerrant and infallible and therefore God and the Bible must support our beliefs. Therefore, the only one true, correct “interpretation” of Scripture is the one which we have. For that reason, we know that Jesus supports the death penalty, hates homosexuals, believes the poor are they way they are because they are lazy and don’t want to work, and wants illegal immigrants back to the country from whence they came (after they’re through doing the work we want them to do for the lowest possible wage and, of course, no benefits.)

49. Useful phrase (with useful expression): Pitying, deeply concerned look of empathy, accompanied by the phrase, “I used to think that way, myself – before I was convicted by the Holy Spirit and saved.”

50. Obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate. If your opponent asks you: "Why don't you practice what Jesus taught?" tell him that Jesus was God and you are only human.

And if you really want to confuse him say:
a. What you do or don't do as a Christian is irrelevant because all your sins have already been nailed on the cross and washed away by the blood of Jesus.

b. Salvation has nothing to do with keeping Jesus's commandments. The only requirement for a guaranteed ticket to Heaven is that you declare with your lips that Jesus is Lord, be baptized, attend Sunday service and tithe.

c. Remember: Jesus said, “Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. For I tell you, that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.” and Paul said, “The law is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good.” and, “Every writing inspired by God is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction.” Therefore, we are to keep all of the commandments of the Old Testament (except those nullified by further revelation).

d. Don’t worry if a, b, and c directly contradict each other and you have just stated three completely contradictory thoughts. By this time, your opponent should be worn down sufficiently that you can claim victory “in the name of Jesus.”
 

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Your post is insulting and offensive, but I forgive you.
Christians shouldn't be devouring other christians in anger. That is a sin.

That's OK.

I'm quite used to being insulted and offended here.

After all, I've listed 50 of the comments I've either collected, or have been sent to me which I found to be quite offensive when I received them.
 
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I understand that I have not been the nicest person on here but this is really offensive to me.

Then imagine what it must be like to be on the receiving end of one of these statements -- either in a post, a PM, or an email.
 
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I have been...I get bashed for disagreeing with homosexuality if I post a scripture...So I dont feel for it at all...

Well then - count your blessings for being bashed only for posting a Scripture which disagrees with homosexuality.

I get bashed for being gay, for not being a fundamentalist, for being a Democrat, for being a liberal, for not subscribing to Scriptural inerrancy or infallibility, and for insisting that Scripture MUST be read in the historical, social, political, religious and linguistic period in which it was written.

Why, if I had a nickel for all the times I've been damned to Hell for any of the above, I could take you and every single person in ths forum on an all-expenses-paid trip to Europe and we'd stay in five-star hotels!
 
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If you are a homosexual and you want to win your argument that it is not a sin, you tell people...

a) you're reading that verse wrong
b) it's only referring to homsexual rape
c) it's only talking about temple prostitutes
d) they weren't guilty of the sin of homosexuality, they were just not hospitable, that's why they were destroyed
e) you're hung up on the law, we're under grace (ignore the fact that Jesus said He didnt come to abolish the law)
f) people wrote the Bible, not God...and homophobic people at that
g) the book of Romans says "unnatural" relations with other men is sin - homosexuality is natural for me
h) David and Jonathan were gay, I can prove it by reading some website

How many verses do you have to ignore, reinterpret, twist, or eliminate to be able to live happily as a "gay Christian"?
 
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Probably as many as I have to be able to live life happily as a "liberal Christian".

I left fundamentalism 37 years ago at the age of 16 -- and I've never looked back (and for that I am eternally grateful!).
 
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As amusing a read it was, I have to agree that it isn't nice Uber. We're not here to point on flaws in each other. As a satire article that's really funny. It made me laugh more than the satirical list of 'Reasons Why Homosexuality is Wrong'. If you don't know what that is send me a message and I'll give it to you.

But I would appreciate it if you took it down hon. I'm not offended and I don't think anyone else should get offended but obviously, people are. No need to hurt feelings.
 
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Probably as many as I have to be able to live life happily as a "liberal Christian".

I left fundamentalism 37 years ago at the age of 16 -- and I've never looked back (and for that I am eternally grateful!).

Your eternity hasn't started yet. All I can say is, if I had your salvation, I'd be looking for another.
 
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Your eternity hasn't started yet. All I can say is, if I had your salvation, I'd be looking for another.

Do you have anything I want, MercyBurst?

Let's see: utterly condemning of anybody who doesn't believe exactly as you do; feeling of entitlement which allows you to post anything you want at any other member of the board, whether it's malicious or not, whether it's even true or not; ready to excuse your own failings while holding everyone else accountable to your interpretation of the Law.

Nope. You don't have anything I want. Given the choice of spending eternity with the likes of you or spending eternity elsewhere, I'll take my chances.
 
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that's ok. You aren't my problem anymore. Perhaps you would rather be eternally gay. You may just receive your wish:

Revelation 22:11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
give Job 34:11, Psa 62:12, Prov 24:12, Jer 17:10, Matt 16:27, Rom 2:6, 2nd Cor 5:10, 1st Pet 1:17, Rev 2:23

At the resurrection, you can tell Jesus what a bunch of cronies the bible prophets were. They are listed in the footnotes. By the way, Jesus is one of them.
 
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Can you imagine someone liking homosexuality so much that they are resurrected eternally gay? It can happen.


I shudder at the thought of it.

Can you imagine a heterosexual so completely focused on homosexuality, and so completely self-justified about everything he says and does that, as his punishment, he is sent to an afterlife where he is perpetually surrounded by gay people?

Except I wouldn't wish that on the gay people.
 
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Can you imagine a heterosexual so completely focused on homosexuality, and so completely self-justified about everything he says and does that, as his punishment,

No. I'm sorry but I can not imagine that. God never said He would send someone to hell for being judgmental. God said He would judge those people the same way they judge others. I judge you gay as they come. GAY GAY GAY. ok Lord, I'm ready, have I lied?


he is sent to an afterlife where he is perpetually surrounded by gay people?

Sorry, but hell isn't that way. You will have no fellowship there.

Except I wouldn't wish that on the gay people.

That is so unchristlike of you, to wish someone to hell. Your true self shows through. The Holy Spirit is NOT IN YOU.

I don't wish hell for anyone. Neither does God. I'm sorry you have chosen to go where ALL homosexuals go. We try to warn people. But if you really must, you must.

Eternal homosexuality is your terrible fate. This is terribly sad. And you'll answer to the Lord for all those you take with you. This isn't funny. I wish it were different for you, but I see you've made up your mind about it. So be it.

We have approached you biblically, and Jesus commands us to treat you as a heathen:

Matthew 18

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
tell Lev 19:17, Luke 17:3
gained James 5:20, 1st Peter 3:1
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Deut 19:15, John 8:17, 2nd Cor 13:1, 1st Tim 5:19
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
church 1st Tim 5:20
heathen Rom 16:17, 1st Cor 5:9, 2nd John 10


Say what you want, I take this to a higher court. Der Alter and DMagoh are my witnesses. See you in court whenever the Lord sees it is fitting. We have all seen it for ourselves. We stand as your witnesses. You not only chose this for yourself, but you preach your filth to others as well, to corrupt them. I am truly sorry for you. I forgive you, but will God?

I don't know how this works at CF, but it should be reported to the authorities, and it will be.
 
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Eternal homosexuality is your terrible fate. This is terribly sad. And you'll answer to the Lord for all those you take with you. This isn't funny. I wish it were different for you, but I see you've made up your mind about it. So be it.
You're making God seem very evil.
 
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