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4 dead (including a child) 1 critically injured in office complex shooting in Orange, California
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<blockquote data-quote="Tom 1" data-source="post: 75859053" data-attributes="member: 404020"><p>Come on man, that's a pretty dumb argument. Should fast food also be banned? Unhealthy eating may be (according to some studies) the number one cause of death in the US. Arguments comparing this kind of thing with the use of weapons are just plain silly.</p><p></p><p>Just think about it. There are far fewer pro rata road fatalities than there were in the 1930s in Europe, although there are many, many more cars on the road. This is because of continual efforts to make driving safer. Eliminating deaths from driving altogether is no more possible than eliminating the number of work related deaths, or deaths caused through any other everyday activity, but as driving has become much safer over the last decades it will steadily become even safer into the future. Perhaps one day there will be cars which simply will not start if the driver is intoxicated (although some Americans would balk at this infringement on their 'freedom' I am sure). Cars and other vehicles are however an integral part of modern society, it would be literally impossible for anyone to exercise enough authority to simply get rid of them, and there is no immediate reason to believe that this would not simply give way to other safety issues related to travel and work.</p><p></p><p>Guns, on the other hand, are not essential to civil society. In a society where they are perceived as essential, then the problem is something within that society. A gun is for killing, that is its sole purpose. Surrendering the fun of shooting at things is is no way comparable, not remotely, to surrendering the ability to travel by car.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tom 1, post: 75859053, member: 404020"] Come on man, that's a pretty dumb argument. Should fast food also be banned? Unhealthy eating may be (according to some studies) the number one cause of death in the US. Arguments comparing this kind of thing with the use of weapons are just plain silly. Just think about it. There are far fewer pro rata road fatalities than there were in the 1930s in Europe, although there are many, many more cars on the road. This is because of continual efforts to make driving safer. Eliminating deaths from driving altogether is no more possible than eliminating the number of work related deaths, or deaths caused through any other everyday activity, but as driving has become much safer over the last decades it will steadily become even safer into the future. Perhaps one day there will be cars which simply will not start if the driver is intoxicated (although some Americans would balk at this infringement on their 'freedom' I am sure). Cars and other vehicles are however an integral part of modern society, it would be literally impossible for anyone to exercise enough authority to simply get rid of them, and there is no immediate reason to believe that this would not simply give way to other safety issues related to travel and work. Guns, on the other hand, are not essential to civil society. In a society where they are perceived as essential, then the problem is something within that society. A gun is for killing, that is its sole purpose. Surrendering the fun of shooting at things is is no way comparable, not remotely, to surrendering the ability to travel by car. [/QUOTE]
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