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I'm starting this thread so as not to contribute to debate in the Tradtional SDA subforum. This is a continuation of a conversation about 3ABN in this thread.

Yes, I visited this site today right after I learned of it. What I found was disturbing but not so much on the part of Danny Shelton and 3ABN. What I found was a lot of parsing information that was not documented or confirmed. IOW, a bunch of gossip. They did give an e-mail that Danny wrote in regards to all of this mess and because Danny said he would let ASI determine by investigation who was telling the truth they accused him of using ASI as a smoke screen for hiding the truth of massive scandals and wrong doing. The writer of this site clearly has an agenda against Danny Shelton , Tommy and 3abn. Whether any of it is true or not to me at this point is irrelevant to the ministry of 3abn.

If it's true that 3ABN has sheltered a known sex offender, it would be very damaging to the ministry of Danny Shelton, 3ABN, and the Adventist Church in general. I am very concerned about this, and I think all Adventists should be. An impartial investigation needs to be done.

Jimlarmore said:
I like to think of what Jesus told the mob who had brought the woman caught in adultery to Him. He told those standing there , he without sin cast the first stone. None of them cast any stones because He had just written most likely their sins in the dirt right in front of them to see.

It's the same here, none of us can point a finger at anyone about anything and be justified in doing so.

The Bible tells us that there are times when we need to judge. If 3ABN has hired a child molester, put him on kids' programs, and covered up the whole situation, I'd say that would be one of those times. Here are a couple of texts to consider:
1CO 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3 Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

1CO 5:6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

1CO 5:9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people-- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

1CO 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
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1TI 5:17 The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. 18 For the Scripture says, "Do not muzzle the ox while it is treading out the grain," and "The worker deserves his wages." 19 Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. 20 Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.

We shouldn't make unsubstantiated accusations, but something needs to be done to determine whether there was wrongdoing, and, if so, who is at fault. There could be serious criminal charges in this situation, and that is not a thing to be taken lightly.

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God has worked mighty miracles at 3abn or it couldn't have done what it has or gotten to the place it has. Have you read the story on how this ministry all came about? Satan hates 3abn and we are helping his cause by spredding this diatribe on the internet. Let's not contribute to wrong doing by spredding it.

Will God continue to bless a ministry if its leaders persist in engaging in sin? Did you know that the story about how this ministry came about was rewritten to alter the facts after Linda was fired and divorced?
 

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If it's true that 3ABN has sheltered a known sex offender, it would be very damaging to the ministry of Danny Shelton, 3ABN, and the Adventist Church in general. I am very concerned about this, and I think all Adventists should be. An impartial investigation needs to be done.

I agree but it needs to be done in a correct way not by a gossiping web site who already has a pre-judiced agenda against 3abn.

The Bible tells us that there are times when we need to judge. If 3ABN has hired a child molester, put him on kids' programs, and covered up the whole situation, I'd say that would be one of those times. Here are a couple of texts to consider:

They had a ex-gay man on 3ABN today one time that is now an ordained minister in our denomination. If Tommy is still an active or recently an active child molester and that is confirmed then I agree. If it is a part of his past from 30 years ago and the Lord has delivered him from that problem as He did the ex-gay man then that is a different thing all together.

We shouldn't make unsubstantiated accusations, but something needs to be done to determine whether there was wrongdoing, and, if so, who is at fault. There could be serious criminal charges in this situation, and that is not a thing to be taken lightly.
Will God continue to bless a ministry if its leaders persist in engaging in sin? Did you know that the story about how this ministry came about was rewritten to alter the facts after Linda was fired and divorced?

I agree an investigation should be done. If criminal acts have been comitted then they should be investigated and charges filed. I just know how false accusations and sensationalism can get out of hand. I'd say let's let the investigation proceed and we need to not gossip about unsubstantiated accusations until the facts are revealed.

God Bless
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I agree but it needs to be done in a correct way not by a gossiping web site who already has a pre-judiced agenda against 3abn.

They had a ex-gay man on 3ABN today one time that is now an ordained minister in our denomination. If Tommy is still an active or recently an active child molester and that is confirmed then I agree. If it is a part of his past from 30 years ago and the Lord has delivered him from that problem as He did the ex-gay man then that is a different thing all together.

I agree an investigation should be done. If criminal acts have been comitted then they should be investigated and charges filed. I just know how false accusations and sensationalism can get out of hand. I'd say let's let the investigation proceed and we need to not gossip about unsubstantiated accusations until the facts are revealed.

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I agree with you, Jim. I don't know what all has gone on, and I don't automatically assume anything without evidence. I just want to see a fair investigation, which up to this point hasn't been forthcoming.

One thing I would say, though, is that if it is proven that Tommy has ever molested children, there is no way that he should ever be permitted to work with kids' programming again or be placed in a position of authority over children. He can be forgiven but not put in a position in which he may be tempted.
 
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What would you say are what can be considered the facts so far?

I don't know. I just want to see a full investigation that is followed through on and some forthright information from 3ABN if any of the allegations are proven true.
 
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What would you say are what can be considered the facts so far?

The facts are Danny Shelton divorced his wife Linda for infidelity i.e. having an affair. She claims she was falsely accused and has started a website to smear Danny and 3abn. Other less scrupulous people have chimed in with other web-sites that amount to nothing more than gossip mills. The situation with Tommy Shelton should be an open record if it's true but no one has shown any documentation supporting anything against him. If it's true I challenge someone to produce the documentation of recent improprities against Tommy Shelton.

God Bless
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People, please stop this! Christ is not being lifted up in here. This is just another form of gossip!

I think these threads ought to be deleted. And whoever put up that website with all of those letters went about this the wrong way.

People have problems. And rather than making them publicly known, they ought to be brought before the church and lifted up in prayer.

Yes, the Bible says we ought to expose evil before the church body. But there is a way in which this ought to be done. Disclosing it on the Internet for all eyes to see is not the right way to do it.

The Internet is not the church. It is a public domain.
 
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The facts are Danny Shelton divorced his wife Linda for infidelity i.e. having an affair. She claims she was falsely accused and has started a website to smear Danny and 3abn. Other less scrupulous people have chimed in with other web-sites that amount to nothing more than gossip mills. The situation with Tommy Shelton should be an open record if it's true but no one has shown any documentation supporting anything against him. If it's true I challenge someone to produce the documentation of recent improprities against Tommy Shelton.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Man you are really pro Danny shelton. The smear campign has come from 3ABN Danny has spent 10's of thousands of dollars and has a pulpit that is world wide, a staff that is huge. What does Linda have?? A web site to voice her side of the story. oh no we might have to hear both sides instead of being brain washed.

As far as Tommy shelton goes, Would you trust your childern to him?? I wouldn't. my kids hate me because of that
 
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What is gossip?

Here is what I found
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some people commonly understand gossip as meaning the spreading of rumor and misinformation, as (for example) through excited discussion of scandals.
 
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3ABN is a well-known, widely available TV network, in the public spotlight. Even in our small town, we get it on our cable lineup. Sometimes it's people's main source of information about Advenitsts (whether they have a positive or negative impression from it). Allegations of this sort could destroy the ministry and the reputation of Adventists even though 3ABN is not an official arm of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Therefore, I believe that an investigation is necessary and that any credible information should be made public. We have a lot at stake in this, and if any of the allegations are true, 3ABN should be held publicly accountable. That is my only contention here; my intention is not to speculate but only to call for an honest investigation.
 
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Again, I ask that this thread be deleted. For, this is not the right way to go about this.

This is not pleasing to the Lord. There will be consequences for those who persist to publicize the sins of others. If these people are guilty of these things the Lord will deal with them. It is not up to us to publicly humiliate them by discussing their personal matters. Do you remember the woman that was caught in the act of adultery, and how Jesus responded to her accusers? I see a lot of stones in here! Who would dare to throw a stone when even Jesus Himself wouldn't?

I agree that this matter must be brought before the church. However, it should not be discussed in a public domain such as the Internet. I'm sure that there's plenty of sin in all of us. Should we discuss it? How would you feel if someone decided to publicize your sins? Even worse, how would you feel if someone decided to publicly accuse you of things that you are not guilty of? That could very well be happening here.

And Sophia, you do remember how you had said that you wouldn't want to reveal your identity due to your stance on Ellen White, for fear that it would mar your husband's employment status with the conference. How is this any different? If we are going to put all of the cards on the table, then you must also be willing to reveal your own hand. People are getting hurt here.

Please take my advice.
 
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The facts are Danny Shelton divorced his wife Linda for infidelity i.e. having an affair. She claims she was falsely accused and has started a website to smear Danny and 3abn. Other less scrupulous people have chimed in with other web-sites that amount to nothing more than gossip mills. The situation with Tommy Shelton should be an open record if it's true but no one has shown any documentation supporting anything against him. If it's true I challenge someone to produce the documentation of recent improprities against Tommy Shelton.

Jim what site did you visit? I read one letter a boy wrote stating what Tommy tried to do to him, and then I read a letter from Tommy?

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Again, I ask that this thread be deleted. For, this is not the right way to go about this.

This is not pleasing to the Lord. There will be consequences for those who persist to publicize the sins of others. If these people are guilty of these things the Lord will deal with them. It is not up to us to publicly humiliate them by discussing their personal matters. Do you remember the woman that was caught in the act of adultery, and how Jesus responded to her accusers? I see a lot of stones in here! Who would dare to throw a stone when even Jesus Himself wouldn't?

I agree that this matter must be brought before the church. However, it should not be discussed in a public domain such as the Internet. I'm sure that there's plenty of sin in all of us. Should we discuss it? How would you feel if someone decided to publicize your sins? Even worse, how would you feel if someone decided to publicly accuse you of things that you are not guilty of? That could very well be happening here.

The woman caught in adultery was repentant. If anyone in this situation has been caught in sin, they need to repent as well. If they are innocent, they should be publicly vindicated. No one is throwing stones here. I'm not accusing anyone; I don't know what happened. However, the accusations have been made by others, including alleged victims, and they are already in the public domain. For this reason, they need to be addressed, and I believe that those who publicly call for an investigation are right to do so. If the accused parties are not guilty, then that should come out in the course of the investigation, and that, too, should be made public.

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And Sophia, you do remember how you had said that you wouldn't want to reveal your identity due to your stance on Ellen White, for fear that it would mar your husband's employment status with the conference. How is this any different? If we are going to put all of the cards on the table, then you must also be willing to reveal your own hand. People are getting hurt here.

Please take my advice.

It's not a sin to question whether EGW was really a prophet. My personal beliefs on that are not the same as someone being accused of molesting children.

I am going to close this thread now because I don't want this to be a gossip session. That was never my intention; I am only advocating a fair investigation of the public accusations, which most of the Adventist world knows about already, and forthrightness in sharing the results, whichever way they turn out.

Please note that this is not an official staff thread closure. It is at my request since I was the original poster. People are allowed to start other threads on the topic if they wish because it does not violate the rules of our forum.
 
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