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ok, ty for answering. i just wondered because you and your wife spend so much time on here and i have never known a pastor to have that much free time. not meaning to offend, just curious. how many members are in your church?Yes, I am a practicing pastor, and one day I hope to get it right
Linda submitted a request that she be excused from her contract with 3ABN for the purpose of testifying at the church business meeting that John Lomacang had insisted on in which Linda was to be censured. Danny let her know that to do so would cost her $150,000.00 her 3ABN severance pay.
Take into consideration that half of Lomacang's salary comes from 3ABN, his wife's full salary comes from 3ABN, their home is provided by 3ABN, his television career is provided by 3ABN, his music career is promoted by 3ABN, his church is owned by 3ABN and is on 3ABN property, Most of his church board gets their income from 3ABN, Most of the church members get their income from 3ABN, and Linda's exhusband controls 3ABN. How wise would it be to entrust her membership to people who are beholden to her exhusband for their careers and income? Considering his demonstrated animosity and malicious behaviour toward her and those associated with her? I believe that she made a difficult decision, but one in which she had little real choice.
Would such people be facing the fate of Jean Fiscalini and lose their jobs as a result of defying Danny on church matters? These are a few of the things that Linda had to consider. He who conrols what the people want, controls the people. This principle is fundamental to this whole mess.
Wrong. Lomacang wrote her a letter saying that he was going to take it to a church business meeting and recommend censure. He did not write and say that she had been censured. The meeting never happened and she was not censured.You keep repeating ths but it is simply not true,
There had to have been a business meeting of the entire Church for that is what it takes, in order for a letter of Censure to be written.
Even Linda who denies being under censure now or at any time, only does so by a technicality, for she too admitted in writing on her website, that a letter of censure was written and claims she dropped her membership to avoid it. (Or implies it was or will be dropped, that part is not clear)
It sounds rather like the person who in the midst of being fired announces "you can't fire me! I quit". The person can tell everyone else that he quit, but that doesn't change the facts, they were still fired.
And the problem is, according to the Church manual someone under Church discipline is not supposed to be able to drop or transfer membership unless, and until the problems are resolved, and the censure is removed. If they refuse to cooperate in the attempt at reconcillliation and restoration, (for that is the purpose of Church discipline) then the Church moves on to disfellowshipment.
They may certainly attend any Church they like, but the censure is supposed to go with them...
It appears someone dropped the ball in this situation, and unfortunatly, although it may have been done out of compassion, it appears to me it was misguided, and had it not been, could have helped, at least partially, to prevent, or avoid this big mess we are in right now.
Note to tallman: I'm going to see if I can't find some documentation from both sides about this for you. I know I have read first person statements regarding this from both L.S. and W.T in all this hoopla and mess somewhere.
Pinkpanther,it is right on her website. You will want to go there and see it. But here is a copy of it:Linda admits no such thing.
Does it say that a business meeting happened and it was voted to censure? No. The board met and voted to take it to the church, but that is where it stopped. It NEVER went to a church business meeting, therefore NO censure took place.Pinkpanther,it is right on her website. You will want to go there and see it. But here is a copy of it:
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3) But then the "joy-stealers" were at it again. The end of October I received a letter from my previous pastor. The letter stated that the church board had voted "to call a church business session to recommend to the church that you be placed under censure." (This was 18 months after the fact.) I called the pastor to ask "why?" He said it was because I had abandoned my church and ministry which then led to a divorce. (Folks, one does not choose to go from the proverbial "top" to the bottom...unless they are tripped, shoved or railroaded.) Of course, I replied this was not true. But I discovered, from someone in the know, that the basis for the discussion of my church membership was this. It was said that if they transferred my membership it would make someone look right and "someone" else look wrong. To make a long story short, I either had to take the church censure (which could include getting kicked out of the denomination), or I had to appear before a very biased group of people who had been saturated in a "very altered" version of the story, and present things to them which would definitely not enhance their Christian experience. It had the potential of turning into a "joy-stealers" jam session. I did not want to participate in any such a thing. I was counseled by two pastors and other dedicated Christians to drop my membership. I have a verbal commitment from the pastor that this is what will be done at the next church business session.
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There it is. The paragraph was highlighted from the whole section and the paragraph is unedited. You can go to her site and read it for yourself the whole thing.
CF lurkers can lurk on BSDA just as well as here.... and since the info you want them to see is over there... maybe their lurk time would prove to be more successful there... just a thought.....Can anyone post the ASI response on here that gives it's reasons for dropping the investigation? I'm having trouble finding it again on BSDA. I think that needs to be brought to light for the CF lurkers.
God Bless
Jim Larmore
You keep repeating ths but it is simply not true,
There had to have been a business meeting of the entire Church for that is what it takes, in order for a letter of Censure to be written.
Even Linda who denies being under censure now or at any time, only does so by a technicality, for she too admitted in writing on her website, that a letter of censure was written and claims she dropped her membership to avoid it. (Or implies it was or will be dropped, that part is not clear)
It sounds rather like the person who in the midst of being fired announces "you can't fire me! I quit". The person can tell everyone else that he quit, but that doesn't change the facts, they were still fired.
And the problem is, according to the Church manual someone under Church discipline is not supposed to be able to drop or transfer membership unless, and until the problems are resolved, and the censure is removed. If they refuse to cooperate in the attempt at reconcillliation and restoration, (for that is the purpose of Church discipline) then the Church moves on to disfellowshipment.
They may certainly attend any Church they like, but the censure is supposed to go with them...
It appears someone dropped the ball in this situation, and unfortunatly, although it may have been done out of compassion, it appears to me it was misguided, and had it not been, could have helped, at least partially, to prevent, or avoid this big mess we are in right now.
Note to tallman: I'm going to see if I can't find some documentation from both sides about this for you. I know I have read first person statements regarding this from both L.S. and W.T in all this hoopla and mess somewhere.
YES, the board met and CENSURE was voted on. It didn't go to the whole church because Linda LEFT that church and refused to meet with them. To bad that church didn't follow up on the Board action.Does it say that a business meeting happened and it was voted to censure? No. The board met and voted to take it to the church, but that is where it stopped. It NEVER went to a church business meeting, therefore NO censure took place.
Mr. Larmore, here is what Harold Lance said about these meetings:Can anyone post the ASI response on here that gives it's reasons for dropping the investigation? I'm having trouble finding it again on BSDA. I think that needs to be brought to light for the CF lurkers.
God Bless
Jim Larmore
When Linda chose to have her membership dropped from that church, that settled the censure problem for the Church. I mean, why go ahead and censure her when she dropped her membership. Makes perfect sense. That is why the church didn't proceed. The problem was taken care of.YES, the board met and CENSURE was voted on. It didn't go to the whole church because Linda LEFT that church and refused to meet with them. To bad that church didn't follow up on the Board action.
Needless to say, she WAS voted CENSURE by that church board.
seems some folks continue to spin... there could be no vote on censure because there was no evidence to be submitted to confirm an act of adultery...... and the evidence had to be more substantial than the spouse who holds the purse strings of many saying, "yeah she did it cause I said she did it....." If she committed adultery produce the evidence... don't tell me its there... produce it...
FWIW, it was not produced in 04 and has yet to be produced... I suppose given enough time and technology something will be produced as proof....
No, they did not vote to censure. A church board MAY NOT vote to censure a person. They can only vote to make a recommendation to the full church.YES, the board met and CENSURE was voted on. It didn't go to the whole church because Linda LEFT that church and refused to meet with them. To bad that church didn't follow up on the Board action.
Needless to say, she WAS voted CENSURE by that church board.
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