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The original language of Genesis was ancient Hebrew. The word that was used to describe a day was "[SIZE=-1]yôm" which is translated to a literal 24 hour day. There were other words that could have been used to say that it wasn't a literal day, but the word used was "[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]yôm" which, if used properly, is a 24-hour day.

Here's a link on the topic: [/SIZE]http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/days.asp
 

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The original language of Genesis was ancient Hebrew. The word that was used to describe a day was "[SIZE=-1]yôm" which is translated to a literal 24 hour day.

Often it is, but not always. It generally has much the same range of meaning as the English "day".

There were other words that could have been used to say that it wasn't a literal day, but the word used was "yôm" which, if used properly, is a 24-hour day.

What person or institution has the authority to determine that this is the only proper use of "yom"?
 
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Often it is, but not always. It generally has much the same range of meaning as the English "day".



What person or institution has the authority to determine that this is the only proper use of "yom"?
There are many other terms that could have been used, but weren't. Look at the link. There's a plural form of the word that could have been used, but wasn't.
 
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There are many other terms that could have been used, but weren't. Look at the link. There's a plural form of the word that could have been used, but wasn't.

So what? Even accepting your claim - so what?
 
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here you go:

http://biblicalstudies.qldwide.net.au/cs-how_long_were_the_days_of_gen1.html

There are several Hebrew words which refer to a long period of time [4]. These include qedem which is the main one-word term for 'ancient' and is sometimes translated 'of old'; olam means 'everlasting' or 'eternity' and is translated 'perpetual', 'of old' or 'for ever'; dor means 'a revolution of time' or 'an age' and is sometimes translated 'generations'; tamid means 'continually' or 'for ever'; ad means 'unlimited time' or 'for ever'; orek when used with yom is translated 'length of days'; shanah means 'a year' or 'a revolution of time' (from the change of seasons); netsach means 'for ever'. Words for a shorter time span include eth (a general term for time); and moed, meaning 'seasons' or 'festivals'. Let us consider how some of these could have been used.


1. Event of long ago

If God had wanted to tell us that the creation events took place a long time in the past, there were several ways He could have said it:
yamim (plural of yom) alone or with 'evening and morning', would have meant 'and it was days of evening and morning'. This would have been the simplest way, and could have signified many days and so the possibility of a vast age.
qedem by itself or with 'days' would have meant 'and it was from days of old'.
olam with 'days' would also have meant 'and it was from days of old'.
So if God had intended to communicate an ancient creation to us, there were at least three constructions He could have used to tell us this. However, God chose **not** to use any of these.


2. A continuing event from long ago

If God had wanted to tell us that creation started in the past but continued into the future, meaning that creation took place by some sort of theistic evolution, there were several ways He could have said it:
dor used either alone or with 'days', 'days' and 'nights', or 'evening and morning', could have signified 'and it was generations of days and nights'. This would have been the best word to indicate evolution's alleged aeons, if this had been meant.
olam with the preposition le, plus 'days' or 'evening and morning' could have signified 'perpetual'; another construction le olam va-ed means 'to the age and onward' and is translated 'for ever and ever' in Exodus 15:18.
tamid with 'days', 'days' and 'nights', or 'evening' and 'morning', could have signified 'and it was the continuation of days'.
ad used either alone or with olam could have signified 'and it was for ever'.
shanah (year) could have been used figuratively for 'a long time', especially in the plural.
yom rab literally means 'a long day' (cf. 'long season' in Joshua 24:7, or 'long time' in the New American Standard Bible). This construction could well have been used by God if He had meant us to understand that the 'days' were long periods of time.
Thus, if God had wanted us to believe that he used a long-drawn-out creative process, there were several words He could have used to tell us this. However, God chose **not** to use any of these.

http://incolor.inebraska.com/stuart/indefen.htm

b. I have done a painstaking study of the use of the word yom in the Old Testament and cannot find one place where the word has to mean anything but the light part of the twenty-four hour period, or as a summary for the day/night complex. I have looked at the several verses that liberals quote to prove that it must mean a longer period, and every one of them either uses the plural of yom, or simply does not require a meaning of more than one day. The problem really lies in our use of the word "time," which can mean a distinct point in time, or a lengthy period of time. The Hebrew, like English, uses the word yom in plural to express longer periods, and the singular to express a specific time or day. For example, it speaks of the "days (plural) of Solomon," and the "day that God created them" (that is, the heaven and earth). The liberals tell us that "in the day that God created them" (Gen. 2:4) must mean the whole six-day period of creation, thus a longer period, but the first verses of the Bible clearly say that God "created the heaven and earth" on day one, that is, in ONE day. This is demonstrated by the parallel wording of Gen. 5:1, "in that day that God created man," which was day six, not the whole six-day period.

will these two suffice??
 
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What person or institution has the authority to determine that this is the only proper use of "yom"?

over 2,000 years of consistant translation of the word. those who God raises up to maintain His word as factual and true. God, The Holy Spirit. to name a few.
 
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How could an ape and another ape give birth to an entirely different species. How is a new species created if the apes mate billions of times? Was one mutated? Why do we see the first stage of evolution (Apes) living on Earth today and the final stage (Humans) living on Earth today, but not any of the middle stages. If evolution means to become more complex and get better, why did the middle stages die off and not the apes? It seems the less complex species would die off before the others because they were less complex than the middle stages. Why is the Bible translated wrong when it doesn't agree with our beliefs?

The word "[SIZE=-1]yôm" means a literal 24-hour day. Other words in Ancient Hebrew were able to be used that would make it not a literal 24-hour day, but the writer of Genesis chose that word. If you say that we can't determine that it means a liter 24-hour day, then you must say the same for the other words in the Bible that people look to the original translations for.

May I also point out that the days in Genesis were followed up with "evening and morning" and are not in the plural form. Another thing is that in Genesis, it says the animals were made according to their kind and man was made as a separate species.
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Why do we see the first stage of evolution (Apes) living on Earth today and the final stage (Humans) living on Earth today, but not any of the middle stages.

Did your parents drop dead when you were born? Google allopatric speciation. Did the English cease to xist when some of them emigrated to Australia?

Your statement is one of the more renowned stupid statements of Creationism. Thanks for repeating it for the millionth time.

If evolution means to become more complex and get better

Falsehood. Evolution does not mean that - but thanks for playing.

why did the middle stages die off and not the apes? It seems the less complex species would die off before the others because they were less complex than the middle stages.

Humans ARE apes. The apes you are referring to shared a common ancestor with humans. The common ancestor is extinct but some of the lineages from it (like us) are obviously not.

Is this really that difficult?
 
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over 2,000 years of consistant translation of the word. those who God raises up to maintain His word as factual and true. God, The Holy Spirit. to name a few.

No one is arguing the translation of the word. We all agree that 'yom' means 'day'. But 'day' does not always mean 24-hour day, and it seems neither does 'yom'.

So we still have the question as to the meaning (not translation) of 'yom' when "properly used".


Who establishes the proper meaning? Who, specifically are "those who God raises up to maintain His word as factual and true"? Who has the authority to interpret to us what God and the Holy Spirit mean by a "proper use" of 'yom'?
 
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Who establishes the proper meaning? Who, specifically are "those who God raises up to maintain His word as factual and true"? Who has the authority to interpret to us what God and the Holy Spirit mean by a "proper use" of 'yom'?

God does. He leads people in the direction they are to go and shows them the way and how words are to be translated.

if He didn't then we couldn't rely on the Bible as God's word. remember even though there are a lot of false translations out there, we can compare all translations to earlier mss. and other writings to get the correct picture.

i posted the article on the silver scroll sometime back and it dates to around the 7th century b.c. its words are exactly the same as the correct bible translations of today. that is approx. 2700 years of proof in that one scroll.
 
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God does.

No, God does not interpret God. It is, in your own words "those who God raises up to maintain His word as factual and true" who interpret God to most of us.

We see in scripture that most people depend on other people, chosen by God, to interpret God to them. He gave Moses to the people of Israel and Jeremiah to the people of Jerusalem in the days of Nebuchadnezzar and Ezra to those who returned from exile.

So who is it in the human community who has been chosen or raised up and given authority to tell us what the "proper use" of 'yom' is?

All God tells us in Genesis 1 is that there was one 'yom', a second 'yom', a third 'yom', etc. God does not tell us what the proper understanding of 'yom' is. Not directly. So who does? Who has that authority?


He leads people in the direction they are to go and shows them the way and how words are to be translated.

Again, it is not about translation. We have no problem with the translation. But the OP spoke of the "proper use" of 'yom'. Where do we find guidance on this "proper use"?
 
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The original language of Genesis was ancient Hebrew. The word that was used to describe a day was "[SIZE=-1]yôm" which is translated to a literal 24 hour day. There were other words that could have been used to say that it wasn't a literal day, but the word used was "[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]yôm" which, if used properly, is a 24-hour day.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Here's a link on the topic: [/SIZE]http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/days.asp
God could also have chosen a word of phrase that isn't also used figuratively throughout the rest of scripture. Or he could have used yom in Genesis, and to show it was literal, never used yom figuratively in the rest of the bible. Instead we see it used figuratively within just a few verses of Genesis 1. These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens Gen 2:4. If we look just a bit further down to Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die, we have another verse where either death was not meant literally or the day Adam would die wasn't literal, because Adam certainly didn't die on the 'day' he ate the fruit.
 
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How could an ape and another ape give birth to an entirely different species. How is a new species created if the apes mate billions of times? Was one mutated? Why do we see the first stage of evolution (Apes) living on Earth today and the final stage (Humans) living on Earth today, but not any of the middle stages. If evolution means to become more complex and get better, why did the middle stages die off and not the apes? It seems the less complex species would die off before the others because they were less complex than the middle stages.

Archie tells me I'm naive, so you may have to go slowly with me. What is the connection between "yom" and whether one set of parents can give birth to a child of another species?

Along the line of reasoning that treats speciation of that sort, would you care to take Willtor's Wager (see the second banner in my sig)? ;)

Why is the Bible translated wrong when it doesn't agree with our beliefs?

The word "[SIZE=-1]yôm" means a literal 24-hour day. Other words in Ancient Hebrew were able to be used that would make it not a literal 24-hour day, but the writer of Genesis chose that word. If you say that we can't determine that it means a liter 24-hour day, then you must say the same for the other words in the Bible that people look to the original translations for.

May I also point out that the days in Genesis were followed up with "evening and morning" and are not in the plural form. Another thing is that in Genesis, it says the animals were made according to their kind and man was made as a separate species.
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Assyrian points out that Adam is told he will die the day he eats of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, but he goes on for almost a millenium after he does. But even aside from that, is "yom" excluded from being used in figurative passages?
 
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I'm sorry guys. I read my posts and they seem kind of prideful and they've caused argument. I don't usually talk about this subject. It's just I found out about the word and wanted to tell you. I don't believe that we evolved from apes. I believe that there were people that may have looked slightly like apes, but were our species. You look at people now and there is a wide range of body shapes. What doesn't make sense to me is how an ape can give birth to a new species no matter how many times apes mate. I'm sorry guys though for bringing negative feelings.
 
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I'm sorry guys. I read my posts and they seem kind of prideful and they've caused argument. I don't usually talk about this subject. It's just I found out about the word and wanted to tell you. I don't believe that we evolved from apes. I believe that there were people that may have looked slightly like apes, but were our species. You look at people now and there is a wide range of body shapes. What doesn't make sense to me is how an ape can give birth to a new species no matter how many times apes mate. I'm sorry guys though for bringing negative feelings.
Don't worry about it.

Nobody thinks that any creature will give birth to an entire new species. What evolution teaches is that there will be tiny genetic variations that, over a long period of time, will render an ancestor very different from its predecessor. Note that we're not talking hundreds or even thousands of years, but tens and hundreds of thousands (millions). Given the relatively short lifespans of most creatures, we're talking millions and millions of generations.

If you're going to argue against evolution then that would be the starting point. Arguments like "cats giving birth to dogs" or "life bursting spontaneously from peanut butter" are strawman arguments that really have no meaning.
 
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Don't worry about it.

Nobody thinks that any creature will give birth to an entire new species. What evolution teaches is that there will be tiny genetic variations that, over a long period of time, will render an ancestor very different from its predecessor. Note that we're not talking hundreds or even thousands of years, but tens and hundreds of thousands (millions). Given the relatively short lifespans of most creatures, we're talking millions and millions of generations.

If you're going to argue against evolution then that would be the starting point. Arguments like "cats giving birth to dogs" or "life bursting spontaneously from peanut butter" are strawman arguments that really have no meaning.
I know that. But it doesn't make sense to me that the genes will just change, no matter how small of a change. But, I should stop right now because I don't like arguing. It's stressful. I stopped commenting on many Youtube videos because it was stressing me out when I fight would be started. Now, I don't get nearly as much e-mail.
 
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I know that. But it doesn't make sense to me that the genes will just change, no matter how small of a change.

Well, genes do change. Molecular biologists see that happening everyday as they do their work. Today we even make them change through genetic engineering. But we observe them to change whether or not we interfere.

So whether it makes sense to you or not, we have seen it happening.

Changes in genes are an observed fact, and facts are just something we have to live with whether or not they make sense to us.

Trying to understand these facts and make sense of them is what science is about.
 
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