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Leonardo culturally appropriated the Greek motif into his Last Supper fresco, blame him.
Where precisely does Thomas Jolly say that it wasn't? The article claims he did, but then the quote it offers is:
"You will never find in my work a desire to denigrate anyone or anything," Jolly told broadcaster BFMTV.
I see no denial there that it was inspired by The Last Supper. Rather, it just says he wasn't trying to denigrate anyone or anything. That is a different statement. As I stated earlier, maybe there is such a statement of denial of inspiration, but no one ever points to it even in defense. All the actual quotes given by him don't say any such thing.
How does that article do anything to back up your claim "that such a depiction of The Feast of the Gods, predates Christianity by about 800 years"? I don't see it. What image from around 800 BC is being referred to? The oldest images I see there are from around 500 BC but they aren't anything even remotely similar to the Olympics ceremony.
Still, the half naked drag people should not be shown on TV. Is it okay for people to whip out their plantains on TV? No, it is not okay. It was not okay in the 2000s, and should not be okay in 2024.Olympics opening ceremony tableau sparks controversy among Christian community
The opening ceremony’s artistic director, Thomas Jolly, confirmed that Leonardo da Vinci’s “The Last Supper” was not his inspiration for the performance.www.today.com
Appearing on French news channel BFM-TV Sunday, Jolly confirmed “The Last Supper” was “not my inspiration.”
The “apology”:
“Clearly there was never an intention to show disrespect to any religious group. (The opening ceremony) tried to celebrate community tolerance," Paris 2024 spokesperson Anne Descamps told a press conference.
"We believe this ambition was achieved. If people have taken any offence we are really sorry."
Thomas Jolly, the artistic director behind the flamboyant opening ceremony, said the scene had not been inspired by "The Last Supper" and depicted a pagan feast linked to the gods of Olympus.
The tableau wasn’t modeled after the Last Supper motif; the “apology” was more along the lines of
”if the ignorant wish to be offended, they will be, and we’re sorry that they’re ignorant”.
A lot of Christians really, really want to be offended. I mean, if Christianity isn't an excuse for being angry at someone else, what's the point? The fact that the artist behind the presentation says that it wan't inspired by "The Last Supper", and the fact that there's a relevant artistic tradition around Dionysus (seefor details) is irrelevant.
Christians want Jesus respected. Not a bunch of perverted demoniacs blaspheming openly and involving children.Did you read sfs's first sentence?
Why are you interpreting this event as "to deceive Christians"? It's not all about you, yunno.
Besides that, what has that got to do with sports? If they say it was just added art, why not add some beautiful or actual art?Still, the half naked drag people should not be shown on TV. Is it okay for people to whip out their plantains on TV? No, it is not okay. It was not okay in the 2000s, and should not be okay in 2024.
Well he was wear a thong. I mean the male Olympic divers are wearing about the same.Still, the half naked drag people should not be shown on TV. Is it okay for people to whip out their plantains on TV? No, it is not okay. It was not okay in the 2000s, and should not be okay in 2024.
True, but at least the divers were doing a productive sport, unlike the Smurf dude who was just trying to show his banana under the fabric.Well he was wear a thong. I mean the male Olympic divers are wearing about the same.
Agreed. Drag has nothing to do with sports, unless we talk about motorsports on a 1/4 mile race (402 meter drag race), but that is a different type of drag. The 2024 Olympics could have used real art, or had a sports-themed reenactment of Le Miserable with non-woke, fully clothed individuals.Besides that, what has that got to do with sports? If they say it was just added art, why not add some beautiful or actual art?
Ah, good! Thanks for that. It looks like this was only recently given, which is why I hadn't seen it before.Olympics opening ceremony tableau sparks controversy among Christian community
The opening ceremony’s artistic director, Thomas Jolly, confirmed that Leonardo da Vinci’s “The Last Supper” was not his inspiration for the performance.www.today.com
Appearing on French news channel BFM-TV Sunday, Jolly confirmed “The Last Supper” was “not my inspiration.”
Opening ceremonies are a show case for the host country. This may have little to do with the Olympics and more the culture and traditions of the host country. The French are known to be very open and liberal with sexuality. They are not shy of nudity.Agreed. Drag has nothing to do with sports, unless we talk about motorsports on a 1/4 mile race (402 meter drag race), but that is a different type of drag. The 2024 Olympics could have used real art, or had a sports-themed reenactment of Le Miserable with non-woke, fully clothed individuals.
True, and that is not good for children in the US or any other country to be viewing.Opening ceremonies are a show case for the host country. This may have little to do with the Olympics and more the culture and traditions of the host country. The French are known to be very open and liberal with sexuality. They are not shy of nudity.
I agree it is confusing. I have seen sources claiming the inspiration both ways. Also have seen sources saying Da Vinci‘s inspiration was Dionysius. I think that ultimately there is an overreaction to art that has resulted in Christians claiming this is a direct assault against them.Ah, good! Thanks for that. It looks like this was only recently given, which is why I hadn't seen it before.
However, as if to make things even more confusing, apparently the producers indicated The Last Supper was in mind:
Paris Olympics Producers Say 'The Last Supper' Inspired That Opening Ceremony Scene: 'Many Have Done It Before'
A controversial scene apparently featuring The Last Supper from the Paris Olympics Opening Ceremony continued to stir controversy Sunday.www.thewrap.com
Here's the opening with the most important information (more is given in the article):
A Paris Olympics Opening Ceremony scene reminiscent of Leonardo da Vinci’s “The Last Supper” continued to stir controversy Sunday as Paris 2024 producers and the ceremony’s designer Thomas Jolly released separate, apparently opposing statements on where it drew its inspiration.
The scene in question featured a line of drag performers posing shoulder-to-shoulder on a Parisian bridge before turning the bridge into a fashion-forward catwalk. Later, those same queens celebrated over a meal where the dish was revealed to be a nearly nude man painted blue.
Many, including Jolly and the official Olympics Games X account, said that the scene is an “interpretation of the Greek God Dionysus” that “makes us aware of the absurdity of violence between human beings.”
Others, including a statement from Paris 2024 producers obtained by TheWrap Sunday, said that it was in fact inspired by Da Vinci’s famous painting — a skewing of the religious imagery that has been slammed by the Christian right as a mockery of Jesus Christ.
“For the ‘Festivities’ segment, Thomas Jolly took inspiration from Leonardo da Vinci’s famous painting to create the setting,” producers said in the statement. “Clearly, there was never an intention to show disrespect towards any religious group or belief … [Jolly] is not the first artist to make a reference to what is a world-famous work of art. From Andy Warhol to ‘The Simpsons,’ many have done it before him.”
So it seems we're getting some contradictory information here as to inspiration.
Honestly, it was a small part of the whole and most children wouldn’t really “get “ it anyway.True, and that is not good for children in the US or any other country to be viewing.
True, but some children might stumble. Even if we cause 0.1% of people to stumble, it is still wrong, my friend.Honestly, it was a small part of the whole and most children wouldn’t really “get “ it anyway.
I am upset with all of it, including that skit. Glad I did not see it.Honestly, I would expect Christians to be more concerned with the extended skit showing the set up to a menigie a trios.
Apparently there were other dark symbolisms as well. I can hardly imagine what the world will be like when Jesus rescues us from here. One of the hallmarks of that time on earth and the leadership is blasphemy against the God of heaven. It is like they can't wait and are peeking out from hell already- gleefully chomping at the bitAgreed. Drag has nothing to do with sports, unless we talk about motorsports on a 1/4 mile race (402 meter drag race), but that is a different type of drag. The 2024 Olympics could have used real art, or had a sports-themed reenactment of Le Miserable with non-woke, fully clothed individuals.
This stuff is pretty dark. There was also a mechanical pale horse that reminds me of the Horseman of the Apocalypse (Revelation 6:8).Apparently there were other dark symbolisms as well. I can hardly imagine what the world will be like when Jesus rescues us from here. One of the hallmarks of that time on earth and the leadership is blasphemy against the God of heaven. It is like they can't wait and are peeking out from hell already
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