2 Corinthians 1:18-19

[GustheMule]

Calvinists are fond of saying that salvation belongs to the Lamb. Which is of course true and scriptural. But since we are in Christ does it also belong to the church?

What about this verse: 2 Corinthians 1:18 But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not "Yes" and "No." 19For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by me and Silasand Timothy, was not "Yes" and "No," but in him it has always been "Yes." 20For no matter how many promises God has made, they are "Yes" in Christ. And so through him the "Amen" is spoken by us to the glory of God.

 

[Daniels]

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God:​

 

[GustheMule]

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God:​

How does that respond to my post. I'm kind of slow. connect the dots. What I am saying is this: God uses the church to expand His kingdom. By welcoming someone who believes the gospel into the church, aren't we saying "amen" through Christ to the golory of God?

 

[Dmckay]

Calvinists are fond of saying that salvation belongs to the Lamb. Which is of course true and scriptural. But since we are in Christ does it also belong to the church?

What about this verse: 2 Corinthians 1:18 But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not "Yes" and "No." 19For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by me and Silasand Timothy, was not "Yes" and "No," but in him it has always been "Yes." 20For no matter how many promises God has made, they are "Yes" in Christ. And so through him the "Amen" is spoken by us to the glory of God.

Perhaps it would help if you would clarify exactly what your point is. Your wording isn't as focused as it could be. How do you mean salvation "belongs" to the Lamb, or "does it also "belong" to the church?'

Salvation is the purview of the Lord, He sought us, died for us and was resurrected as evidence of our redemption. The church is the "body of Christ" the physical manifestation of Christ on the earth and the vessel through whiich He chooses to work. So with that understanding, I suppose you could say that salvation "belongs" to the church, as it is a function of the Body to spread the message of Christ. However if you are using these terms in any other way this response wouldn't necessarily apply.

 

[Beasley]

hummm,,,I don't quite understand the connection either but the Spirit and the bride say 'Come'.

the bride..that is the church

 

[GustheMule]

Perhaps it would help if you would clarify exactly what your point is. Your wording isn't as focused as it could be. How do you mean salvation "belongs" to the Lamb, or "does it also "belong" to the church?'

Salvation is the purview of the Lord, He sought us, died for us and was resurrected as evidence of our redemption. The church is the "body of Christ" the physical manifestation of Christ on the earth and the vessel through whiich He chooses to work. So with that understanding, I suppose you could say that salvation "belongs" to the church, as it is a function of the Body to spread the message of Christ. However if you are using these terms in any other way this response wouldn't necessarily apply.

That's basically what I mean. What I'm saying is that God has promised to work throught the church in expanding his kingdom. The promises are all there. Success is guaranteed. What's stoppin us? There is an idea floating around in Calvinist circles that the reason God's church is so anemic is because he has elected some and not others and that election is the limitng factor. ANd I would say no, the inertia of the church is the limiting factor. We need to be out saying "amen" to John 3:16, a promise bought by Christ on calvary.