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Why were there so many new churches founded in the 16th century?
Why were there so many new churches founded in the 16th century?
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16th century
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gutenburg printing press.....by 1600 millions of copies of the bible were all over the world.......thus people began to read them, and come to much of the same conclusion Luther did, the church was nothing like what we see written in the pages of the Holy Bible, in fact, It actually fit the discription of Johns Revelation, all dressed in purple and scarlet, adorned with gold and silver, power over kings of the earth.....to this date nothing has a closer resemblence
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dcyates
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Oh, I believe the potential for the Bible to be a dangerous book is tremendous. But with all due respect to earagun, the claim that the Bible being printed, and thus more widely read, resulted in people becoming anti-Catholic is less a factor than was the fact that far more people were now reading the Bible in their own tongue. This resulted in people more closely identifying themselves as, say, German, or English, or Polish, or Swedish, than they previously had, where they regarded themselves not so much as belonging to a particular nation as they did see themselves as belonging to Christendom, and thus under the authority of a very distant, and very Italian, pope.
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What about this. The 16th century corresponds in the Genesis Creation Story to the creation of "Mankind." Is this just coincidence? I think not.
1. Age of enlightenment
2. Columbus discovers America 1492
3. Printing Press for Bibles/English, German
4. Protestant Reformation
One day with the lord is as a thousand. 2Pet.3;8
HUMAN TIME..................................................GOD'S TIME
3000AD.........Judgment Day.........................
..........Day of Rest(Christian Millenium)Rev.20;6......Gen. Day 7
2000AD.....................................................
.........1500AD - Age of Enlightenment......Mankind created Day 6
.........................Dark Ages...................Animals created
1000AD......................................................
.........Constantine spreads Christianity under Eagle - Fowl Day 5
.........Christians use the sign of the fish..................Fish
000................RESURRECTED....................................
JESUS CHRIST crucified....................................Sun
....................O.T. cannonized(500BC)...............Moon....Day 4
....................The Prophets(800-500BC).............Stars
1000BC................................................................
......Israel living/florishing in promised land ...Plants(air)....Day 3
2000BC.....Crossing Red Sea/Jordan on "dry land."(twice mentioned)
......................................divided the waters on Genesis Day 2
3000BC.....................NOAH'S FLOOD
..................................................created the earth on Day 1
4000BC...........Adam and Eve begin farming..............................
The 31 verses of Genesis Chapter One seem to tell us two stories at the same time.
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It was for the Catholic Church, It was very apparant there were some really unbiblical practices going on. hard to fight the words of God
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There were dissenting Christians all along. It didn't start in the 16th Cent. However for various reasons the govenrment stopped being willing (and in some senses even able) to kill the dissenters. In my opinion the issue isn't really why dissent started, since it was there all along, but why enforcement became a lot weaker.
In part, this was because governments preferred a church with its loyalty to the local ruler rather than Rome. As you may know, this sort of thing occurred in France without officially being considered a separate church, and in England, with more radical results. But this doesn't explain the radical Reformation and some other cases.
But there were actually several different things going on.
1) Official Reformations. This is now referred to as the "magisterial Reformation", because the Reformers worked with magistrates. In any given area this didn't produce more churches. Rather, the official church stopped reporting to Rome, and made its decision locally, either on a per-city basis (Switzerland) or in larger regions (Germany). In France the situation was more complex, because the Reformed church was powerful enough to maintain itself, but not to take over. So it had an underground status.
2) The "radical Reformation". This was part of a fairly complex movement involving economics and politics. But the result was a church separate from the government, that was part of a more general protest movement. It became caught up in the peasants' revolts. These churches are also sometimes known as anabaptists.
3) There were other movements, some of which actually were older than the 16th Cent, e.g the Waldensians.
Of course the current religious scene is not just the result of the 16th Cent. Once governments stopped being able to enforce unity, dissent started being shown in multiple churches. And as people moved between countries (particularly to the US), people from areas with their own national Reformations turned into separate denominations.
I also claim that the situation was complicated by the fact that by the 16th Cent the Church had become dependent upon the State's enforcement for its unity. Thus when that enforcement disappeared we didn't have any good principles for development of the Protestant movement. Only by the 20th Cent have we started developing institutions such as the National Associate of Evangelicals, the Lutheran World Federation, etc, to start bringing some coherence. However the genie is clearly out of the bottle.
In part, this was because governments preferred a church with its loyalty to the local ruler rather than Rome. As you may know, this sort of thing occurred in France without officially being considered a separate church, and in England, with more radical results. But this doesn't explain the radical Reformation and some other cases.
But there were actually several different things going on.
1) Official Reformations. This is now referred to as the "magisterial Reformation", because the Reformers worked with magistrates. In any given area this didn't produce more churches. Rather, the official church stopped reporting to Rome, and made its decision locally, either on a per-city basis (Switzerland) or in larger regions (Germany). In France the situation was more complex, because the Reformed church was powerful enough to maintain itself, but not to take over. So it had an underground status.
2) The "radical Reformation". This was part of a fairly complex movement involving economics and politics. But the result was a church separate from the government, that was part of a more general protest movement. It became caught up in the peasants' revolts. These churches are also sometimes known as anabaptists.
3) There were other movements, some of which actually were older than the 16th Cent, e.g the Waldensians.
Of course the current religious scene is not just the result of the 16th Cent. Once governments stopped being able to enforce unity, dissent started being shown in multiple churches. And as people moved between countries (particularly to the US), people from areas with their own national Reformations turned into separate denominations.
I also claim that the situation was complicated by the fact that by the 16th Cent the Church had become dependent upon the State's enforcement for its unity. Thus when that enforcement disappeared we didn't have any good principles for development of the Protestant movement. Only by the 20th Cent have we started developing institutions such as the National Associate of Evangelicals, the Lutheran World Federation, etc, to start bringing some coherence. However the genie is clearly out of the bottle.
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Not really. I don't blame any Christians for spliting the Church in half. It was because of the Medici Popes who had bought and bribed their way in. They weren't even Christians yet they set their sons up as Popes.
The millionaire Lorenzo de Medici from Florence set up his son Giovani to be Pope and called him Leo X. When Martin Luther came to Rome and found this out in 1514 he went back and founded Lutheranism in 1517.
That was the problem. When non Christians who despised Jesus took over control what else could the real believing Christians do but leave. Too bad, or we would all still be one European Christian Church to this day. Of course bought off historians covered this up and said it was because of indulgences.
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That was when the Reformation happened. In a lot of ways, it had to do with the beginning of the separation of church and state which mostly had to do with strained relationships between non-Italians (laity, clergy, and royalty to various degrees depending on the place) and the Italian religious monarchy. These problems arose gradually over a period of time starting post-Schism (although it really got going from the 13th century onward) and actually would have reached its breaking point quite a bit sooner, but the Black Plague slowed things down quite a bit. When that much of Europe dies in a short period of time, reformations and revolts get tabled until survival is accomplished. But after Europe recovered from that, it was on- for a wide variety of reasons that are all tied together. But for the most part, those are the reasons why it didn't happen sooner, and some of that is tangentially related to the reasons why it happened in Western Europe but not in Eastern Europe or Asia or Africa, which are all places where Christians have practiced Christianity and maintained some form of apostolic succession for as long or longer than the Western Europeans.
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IMO, that makes it sound as though the Reformation was basically a "do it yourself" movement. Once the Lutheran movement got going, the idea that Rome was unwilling to address either the corrupt practices of the day or the superstitious devotions and beliefs that were common, it naturally was the case that other answers to them were given by other theologians (Calvin, for instance). In time we were offered several sets of answers, and different peoples aligned themselves behind one or another of them.
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WinBySurrender
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Really? A German priest translated the Bible into English? And all this time I thought that was John Wycliffe.
Could you maybe do some fact checking real quick next time you post, please?
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It is unfortunate that the "Christian" conquistadores and clergy of that time period did not try to TRULY and LOVINGLY spread the word of Jesus Christ to the people of the Americas, only established the "Church" on this side of the ocean to help keep the Natives down and subdued (Juniper Serra sound familiar?). Also, later, a bunch of misfits from Europe called Puritans, that understandably wanted freedom of worship and a new start in a new world, once they got to new world totally unprepared for elements, almost froze to death, then almost starved to death. But lo and behold! - a loving, trusting sap named Squanto (who in his little finger had more Christian charity and values than all the Pilgrims put together) and his buddy Massasoit and friends saved those poor Pilgrims from Kansas (wait, this ain't The Outlaw Josey Wales), I mean poor Pilgrims from England and Holland from freezing their fanny's off, and in process procured a sumptious feast of thanksgiving, that later became Thanksgiving. A wonderful concept. Parades and football. Too bad those Puritans later on slaughtered those same Indians that saved them for "heresy", and even burned their own people as witches.
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