1 Tim 1:19

[daveleau]

What are the meanings behind or the issues surrounding those who "shipwrecked" the or their faith in 1 Tim 1:19?

God bless you,
Dave



1Ti 1:19 holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith. (NIV)

1Ti 1:19 having faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and have suffered the shipwreck of their faith. (HCSB)

1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: (KJV)

1Ti 1:19 holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith, (ESV)

1Ti 1:19 having faith and a good conscience. By rejecting conscience, certain persons have suffered shipwreck in the faith; (NRSV)

 

[visionary]

Probably from riding on the wrong ship... as many churches proclaim that they are the true ship but are not.

 

[shernren]

This may be more imaginative than strict, but I thought about Paul's own shipwreck as described in Acts ... the ship was wrecked, but everybody made it to the shore in one piece. Maybe Paul imagined that these people would make it to heaven in the same way ... there by God's grace, not by their own works, but "washed ashore" from the wreckage of their faith. This is to me the most probable interpretation that would be consistent with an OSAS position (which I hold to, but not fully).

I know I'm being imaginative here so if I'm wrong do correct me.

 

[TrevorL]

Howdy daveleau and others,

Greetings. Hymenaeus is mentioned later, and his particular error is stated. He claimed "that the resurrection is past already":
2 Timothy 2:16-18 (KJV): "16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some."
One suggestion is that he was speculating concerning the Grecian concept of immortals souls, and claimed that this was the resurrection. Many false teachings are based upon the wrong doctrine of immortal souls, and as a result this false teaching has corrupted the truth of the gospel like "canker" or mg "gangrene".

Alexander is also mentioned later, and it is not absolutely sure that these two were united in belief, but both opposed Paul and the truth of the gospel.
2 Timothy 4:14-15 (KJV): "14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works: 15 Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words."

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[dcyates]

What are the meanings behind or the issues surrounding those who "shipwrecked" the or their faith in 1 Tim 1:19?

God bless you,
Dave



1Ti 1:19 holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith. (NIV)

1Ti 1:19 having faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and have suffered the shipwreck of their faith. (HCSB)

1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: (KJV)

1Ti 1:19 holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith, (ESV)

1Ti 1:19 having faith and a good conscience. By rejecting conscience, certain persons have suffered shipwreck in the faith; (NRSV)

After a very cursory look at this text, it appears to me that, as in vv. 5-6, the mention of "faith and a good conscience" prompts Paul to reflect on some who "have rejected these." Literally, he says they have 'repudiated', or 'rejected', both faith (trust in God) and conscience. In so doing, Paul, changing metaphors, adds they "have shipwrecked the faith." In other words, it is not "their" faith that is shipwrecked--although that, too, has happened--but THE faith. By rejecting "faith" (their complete trust in God's grace), they are at the same time in the process of bringing THE faith (the gospel itself) to ruin. Paul then proceeds to provide specific examples, even to the extent of naming names.

 

[Tricia4Jesus]

I think their faith was put to the test. "Shipwrecking" of their faith means that they no longer had the believe to trust and ultimately their faith wavered.

 

[shernren]

In other words, it is not "their" faith that is shipwrecked--although that, too, has happened--but THE faith.

That's an interesting suggestion. Does anybody here know enough of the Greek here to see whether the original text is suggesting the faith or their faith?

 

[dcyates]

That's an interesting suggestion. Does anybody here know enough of the Greek here to see whether the original text is suggesting the faith or their faith?

Admittedly, it could be legitimately translated either way. A more literal rendering of this verse would be: "...holding faith and a good conscience, which some, having put away, as to the faith of them caused a shipwreck." One popular English translation which has opted to put the emphasis on "the faith" rather than the "of them" is the NRSV (something I just discovered now).