1 Peter 3:18-22

[ItIsMeAgain]

Hello All,

I am not a Bible scholar. I'm just a soul who has recently resumed reading God's word. I read these verses recently, and something about it spoke to me, like an epiphany. It is unlike when I have read other passages of the Bible. This passage stays with me. It has led to a renewal/strengthening of my faith.

Here is my interpretation of these verses.

Jesus was crucified so that we may all receive salvation and be brought to God. He was resurrected by the Holy Spirit. He went to prison/hell to bring the message/opportunity of salvation to all of the souls in hell. Thereby demonstrating God's mercy and forgiveness to everyone.

In a prior age, God cleansed the earth and punished the disobedient with a flood, and he spared only 8 souls. This flood was God's baptism of the earth. But now, all of us can be baptised in Jesus and and brought into the Kingdom of God.

I would love to read any contemplations that anyone else may have on these verses.



1Peter 3:18-22

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

sorry you are wrong

when JC went to Hell he took the one in paradise to Heaven and he preached to all about his work on the earth which satisfied the Father..

once dead ...fate done

 

[Weasel7711]

what?

 

[tapero]

I think he preached to those in Sheol the holding place, if I have the word right and those that chose Him were saved.

 

[davidoffinland]

Veteran in Christ....

Quote: when JC went to Hell he took the one in paradise to Heaven

From Finland.

What do you mean by this?

Shalom, David.

 

[Weasel7711]

We have actually been discussing this passage in my other thread here
http://www.christianforums.com/t2973011-christs-descention-into-hades.html

 

[A Brother In Christ]

sorry you are wrong

when JC went to Hell he took the ones[believers] in paradise to Heaven and he preached to all about his work on the earth which satisfied the Father..

once dead ...fate done

correction

 

[WAB]

correction

Sorry, but Christ preached to "...the spirits in prison..."
See 1 Peter 3:19,20 which shows that the prisoners He preached to were those who were disobedient "...in the days of Noah..."

Also, paradise really could not be described as "prison".

Paradise at the time was synonymous with "Abraham's bosom" and Christ went and preached to all who were with "...the rich man..." who had previously not had a chance to put their faith in the Messiah.

Upon Christ's resurrection, the location of paradise changed when He led a multitude of those who were previously "captives" to heaven.

See: Psalm 68:18; John 5:25-29; and Ephesians 4:8.

Shalom... WAB

edited to correct stupid spelling error...

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Sorry, but Christ preached to "...the spirits in prison..."
See 1 Peter 3:19,20 which shows that the prisoners He preached to were those who were disobedient "...in the days of Noah..."

Yes these are angels who tried to ruin the seed so that God could not keep his promises ..Gen 3:15

Also, paradise really could not be described as "prison".

before the cross one side was paradise the other side hades where the rich man was

Paradise at the time was synonymous with "Abraham's bosom" and Christ went and preached to all who were with "...the rich man..." who had previously not had a chance to put their faith in the Messiah.

Upon Christ's resurrection, the location of paradise changed when He led a multitude of those who were previously "captives" to heaven.

would not call it captives but they were in a garden

See: Psalm 68:18; John 5:25-29; and Ephesians 4:8.

Shalom... WAB

edited to correct stupid spelling error...

did not put exactness ... thanks for puting more exactness

 

[linssue55]

Hello All,

I am not a Bible scholar. I'm just a soul who has recently resumed reading God's word. I read these verses recently, and something about it spoke to me, like an epiphany. It is unlike when I have read other passages of the Bible. This passage stays with me. It has led to a renewal/strengthening of my faith.

Here is my interpretation of these verses.

Jesus was crucified so that we may all receive salvation and be brought to God. He was resurrected by the Holy Spirit. He went to prison/hell to bring the message/opportunity of salvation to all of the souls in hell. Thereby demonstrating God's mercy and forgiveness to everyone.

In a prior age, God cleansed the earth and punished the disobedient with a flood, and he spared only 8 souls. This flood was God's baptism of the earth. But now, all of us can be baptised in Jesus and and brought into the Kingdom of God.

I would love to read any contemplations that anyone else may have on these verses.



1Peter 3:18-22

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

There pretty self explainatory....


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]17~~ For it is better, [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]if the will of God be so,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]- I wish it were but it is NOT -[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]that you suffer for well doing,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]then for evil doing.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: Peter is saying he wishes the persecution these people are to face was undeserved, but he knows it is not undeserved!}[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]18~~ Also Christ once has died {spiritual death} for sins. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]The just/'pure righteousness' as a substitute for the unjust. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]That He might bring us face to face to The God, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]being put to death in the sphere of His human body, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]but was made alive {the resurrection}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]by the Spirit {God the Holy Spirit}.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]19~~ By means of Whom {God the Holy Spirit} also He {Jesus}, having been transported, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]made the pronouncement to the spirits {fallen angels} in prison.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: The fallen angles (sons of god) of Genesis 6 are imprisoned still today in Hades. Jesus made a pronouncement to them in Tartarus that their efforts were in vain - they did not prevent Him from coming to the cross as a pure human (genetic attack in Genesis 6).}[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]20~~Who {the fallen angels} before time were disobedient, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark which was being prepared, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]in which few, that is, eight souls[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]were delivered through the water {literal deliverance}.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: God waited patiently during the 120 years before the flood when no one listened to the evangelism of Noah. And an ark literally means 'a chest to preserve treasure' - a treasure chest 8 members of the human race to preserve humanity - there were no ships in Noah's time.}[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Now an analogy - spiritual deliverance}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]21~~ Which also represents to us[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]the baptism that now saves[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans,Times New Roman](not the putting away of the filth of the flesh,[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans,Times New Roman]but the pledge of a good conscience toward God),[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: VERY CLEAR HERE. The baptism of the Spirit saves us and it is a GIFT of God at the point of salvation- we don't earn it or deserve it! And, it is a 'dry' baptism of the spirit and NOT A BATH.}[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]22~~ Who {Christ} has been transported to heaven,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]and keeps on being on the right hand of God . . .[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]where angels {Satan and the fallen angels here},[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]both authorities {his commissioned officers} [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]and powers, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]have been subordinated to Him {Jesus}.[/FONT]

 

[holdon]

Sorry, but Christ preached to "...the spirits in prison..."
See 1 Peter 3:19,20 which shows that the prisoners He preached to were those who were disobedient "...in the days of Noah..."

Christ never preached in prison. The Spirit preached in the days of Noah to those who are now in prison, because they were disobedient then.

http://www.stempublishing.com/authors/kelly/7subjcts/prison.html

 

[ItIsMeAgain]

Thank you all for your responses. They have been a blessing to read.

To summarize, though:

1) Some believe that Jesus preached in prison/Hell to the dead

2) Some believe that Jesus preached to fallen angels in prison/Hell

3) Some believe that Jesus did not preach in prison/Hell, but preached on earth in the days of Noah.

Which one of the above can the following verse be held consistent with?

1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

The gospel came because of Jesus's crucificion, and it is being preached to those who "are dead." Those dead who accepted the message would then live through the Holy Spirit.

 

[holdon]

Thank you all for your responses. They have been a blessing to read.

To summarize, though:

1) Some believe that Jesus preached in prison/Hell to the dead

2) Some believe that Jesus preached to fallen angels in prison/Hell

3) Some believe that Jesus did not preach in prison/Hell, but preached on earth in the days of Noah.

Which one of the above can the following verse be held consistent with?

1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Number 3. Read the article.

 

[linssue55]

1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

The gospel came because of Jesus's crucificion, and it is being preached to those who "are dead." Those dead who accepted the message would then live through the Holy Spirit.

You be the judge.........

[FONT=Arial Black,Arial,Helvetica]I Peter[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Black,Arial,Helvetica]Chapter 4[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]1~~ Therefore, as Christ has suffered for us[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]in the sphere of His human body . . .[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]train and equip yourselves likewise with the same mind.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]For He that has suffered in the flesh has paused sin.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: All sin occurs when you are out of fellowship.}[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Orientation to the will of God verses 2-3}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]2~~ That he {any believer} no longer[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]should live the rest of his time[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]in the flesh {the remainder of a believer's life}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]to the lusts of mankind,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]but to the will of God.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]3~~ For emphatically sufficient was the time having elapsed [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]in the will of the Gentiles [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2] {traveling in the past with the 'Fast Crowd'}, [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]when we traveled from one place to another {Jet setters today}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]in lasciviousness {unrestrained sexually activities},[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]lusts {the inner call to lasciviousness},[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]excess of wine,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]revelings {parties designed to set someone up for sex},[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]banqueting {straight to the point - pick up at a bar},[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]and abominable idolatries {human sacrifice, etc.}.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]4~~ In which thing, [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]they {the fast crowd} are astonished[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]that you run not with them to the same excess of debauchery.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]They keep on maligning you.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: The fast crowd can not believe that you do not want to be with them!}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]5~~ Who {the believer separating from the fast crowd}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]shall give an account to the One[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]having and holding readiness[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]to evaluate the living {the spiritual living}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]and the dead {unbeliever - the spiritually dead}.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]6~~ Because of this fact[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]was the gospel proclaimed also to the spiritually dead,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]that they might be evaluated and judged[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]according to the norms and standards[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]of the men in the flesh {human good standard},[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]but he that keeps on living . . .[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]according to the standards of The God in the spirit {divine good}.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Main reason for the epistle now mentioned}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]7~~ But the end of all things is at hand.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]Be you vigilant and self-disciplined with regard to prayer.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: Great tragedy is coming to the area - Nero persecuted the Christians in this area.}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]8~~ Before all things,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]have and hold intense agape love among yourselves.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]For agape love keeps on blotting out a multitude of sins.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: Agape is the strongest Greek word for love - intense love induced by the filling of the Spirit.}[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]9~~ Hospitalities, one to another of the same kind,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]without murmurings {sullen discontent}.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]10~~As everyone has received a gracious endowment,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]keep on serving {or minister} the same one to another,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]as good stewards {administrators}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]of the many-faceted grace of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Illustration follows}[/FONT]



[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]11~~ If anyone keeps on communicating doctrine,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]let him communicate from the doctrinal viewpoint of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]If any man serves or ministers,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]let him do it as of the ability with which The God provides.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]That in all things The God {the Father} [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]may be glorified[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]through Jesus Christ,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]to Whom {Jesus} keeps on being Glory and Power[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]forever and ever. 'I BELIEVE IT!'/Amen.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]12~~ Beloved ones {the objects of God's love}, [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]stop being shocked [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]by the maximum pressure you face coming to you for your benefit,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]as though some unusual event has caught you off guard.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]13~~ But keep on rejoicing,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]because you have in common the sufferings of Christ,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]that even in the reveling of his Glory[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]that you may be glad {share the happiness of God or have +H}.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]14~~ If you are reproached or insulted for the person of Christ,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]and you are . . . happinesses.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]Because the Spirit of Glory {Holy Spirit} even of God,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]refreshes from above upon you for your benefit.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Suffering for discipline}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]15~~ For you all stop suffering (!)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]as a murderer {ignoring the right of others to life},[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]or as a thief {ignoring the right of others to private property},[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]or as an evildoer {ignoring the other's rights of privacy-[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2] civil disobedience, etc.},[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]or as a mettler in the affairs of others.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{In contrast - suffering for blessing}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]16~~ But if, and it is true, any as a Christian {suffers},[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]stop being ashamed {don't get emotional about it},[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]but keep on using grace . . .[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]glorifying God in the sphere of His name.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{A Rebound Verse----1 John 1:9}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]17~~ For the sphere of time [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{the time of grace between salvation and death or the rapture} [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]to begin judgment {to confess your sins is a form of self-judgement[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]- "if we judge ourselves we shall not be judged" } [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]is from the ultimate source of the house of God, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]and if it first begins at the ultimate source of us,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]18~~ And if the righteous {believer}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]with difficulty receives salvation,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]where shall the ungodly {unbeliever}[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]and the sinner [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]make an appearance? {In the lake of fire!}[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]19~~Wherefore let them that suffer[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]according to the norms and standards of the design of God [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]deposit their souls in the sphere of divine good.[/FONT]

 

[ItIsMeAgain]

linnsue55,

That was an excellent study. Thank you.

holden,

Thanks for the article. I'm gonna have to read it a few time before I undertand it all.

 

[jon914]

Where did christ go? He went to abraham bosum which was also called paradise. luke 16:19 to the end of the chapter is the place that Jesus went. He took all those from the good half to heaven and the resd are still in hades.. only the angles who fooled around in genises are in hell. (lake of fire) the one on the cross with Christ was told that he would be in paradise that day. He was
Many things changed when Christ rose from the gave.
IN the OT. death was the grave and they waited for that ressurection day, and they are still waiting.

john914