1 Corin 4:6 No above what is written

[LittleLambofJesus]

I was studying on this verse along with the greek texts and though there is a variance in one of the greek texts [W-H], I was wondering how others view this verse.
The way this is worded, it appears to say do not go beyond "what is written".

Is Paul talking about His letters, or the Gospels and Old Testament or the whole Bible. Thoughts?

1 Corinthians 4:6 These-things yet brethren! I after-figure into myself and Apollos thru/because-of ye.
That in us ye may be learning the no above/over that which hath been Written/gegraptai <1125> (5769), *to think* that no one over the one ye may be being puffed up against the other/different.

Textus Rec.) 1 Corinthians 4:6 tauta de adelfoi meteschmatisa eiV emauton kai *apollw di umaV
ina en hmin maqhte to mh uper *o gegraptai *fronein* ina mh eiV uper tou enoV fusiousqe kata tou eterou

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What I find extremely interesting is the last 2 places in the NT/NC this FORM of the word #1125 is used and that is concerning those written in the Book of the Life of the Lambkin.

This is where a good greek/hebrew interlinear comes in handy I think.........Thoughts?

Scripture4all - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

Reve 13:8 and shall be worshipping *to him all the ones dwelling upon the land of whom not has been written/gegraptai <1125> (5769) the *name *of him in the scroll of the life of the lambkin, *of the one having been slaughtered from down-casting of world.

Reve 17:8 The beast which thou saw was and not is and is being about to be ascending out of the abyss and into destruction is going away and shall be marveling the ones dwelling upon the land of whom not has been written/gegraptai <1125> (5769) the names upon the scroll of the life from down-casting of world beholding the beast that was and not is and shall-be/*yet is

gegraptai <1125> (5769) Used 67 times. 2 Times in Revelation {13:8, 17:8}

 

[Standing Up]

You won't get an argument from me.

 

[DD2008]

I was studying on this verse along with the greek texts and though there is a variance in one of the greek texts [W-H], I was wondering how others view this verse.
The way this is worded, it appears to say do not go beyond "what is written".

Is Paul talking about His letters, or the Gospels and Old Testament or the whole Bible. Thoughts?

1 Corinthians 4:6 These-things yet brethren! I after-figure into myself and Apollos thru/because-of ye.
That in us ye may be learning the no above/over that which hath been Written/gegraptai <1125> (5769), *to think* that no one over the one ye may be being puffed up against the other/different.

Textus Rec.) 1 Corinthians 4:6 tauta de adelfoi meteschmatisa eiV emauton kai *apollw di umaV
ina en hmin maqhte to mh uper *o gegraptai *fronein* ina mh eiV uper tou enoV fusiousqe kata tou eterou

LLOJ,

You have hit on an interesting part of scripture that I personally find very interesting.

I believe that the example of Christ as set forth in the gospels and the example of worship set forth in the New Testament, the example of all of those who worshiped God at that time were clearly sola scriptura IF a prophet or apostle was not present.

It had been 400 years since the last prophet wrote at the time Christ was incarnate. Sola Scriptura was well ingrained into Jewish theology at that time. Christ's very recorded words support scripture in the strongest way.

The Prophets wrote scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The Apostles wrote scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and left their "new" testament as an addition to the inspired canon that God had left for his sheep.

Ephesians 2:19-22 ESV
19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

THESE PEOPLE ARE THE VERY WITNESSES OF GOD.

2 Peter 1:16-21 ESV
16 For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” 18 we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 19 And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LLOJ,

You have hit on an interesting part of scripture that I personally find very interesting.

I believe that the example of Christ as set forth in the gospels and the example of worship set forth in the New Testament, the example of all of those who worshiped God at that time were clearly sola scriptura IF a prophet or apostle was not present.

It had been 400 years since the last prophet wrote at the time Christ was incarnate. Sola Scriptura was well ingrained into Jewish theology at that time. Christ's very recorded words support scripture in the strongest way.

The Prophets wrote scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The Apostles wrote scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and left their "new" testament as an addition to the inspired canon that God had left for his sheep.

Ephesians 2:19-22 ESV
19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

THESE PEOPLE ARE THE VERY WITNESSES OF GOD.

2 Peter 1:16-21 ESV
16 For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” 18 we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 19 And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Thank you DD!

I also decided to put up how different Bible versions render that verse.

The NKJV and YoungLT use different greek texts than does Rotherham and the NASB, so 2 of these versions leave out the words "to think" since it is missing in the W-H Ms.........

Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version

NKJV) 1 Corinthians 4:6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.

NASB) 1 Corinthians 4:6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.

Rotherham) 1 Corinthians 4:6 But, these things, brethren, have I transferred unto myself and Apollos, for your sakes, that, in us, ye might learn [the lesson]--Not beyond the things that are written...! that ye do not puff yourselves up, individually, for this one against that.

Young) 1 Corinthians 4:6 And these things, brethren, I did transfer to myself and to Apollos because of you, that in us ye may learn not to think above that which hath been written, that ye may not be puffed up one for one against the other,

Textus Rec.)
1 Corinthians 4:6 tauta de adelfoi meteschmatisa eiV emauton kai *apollw di umaV ina en hmin maqhte to mh uper *o gegraptai *fronein* ina mh eiV uper tou enoV fusiousqe kata tou eterou

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1 Corinthians 4:6 tauta de adelfoi meteschmatisa eiV emauton kai apollwn di umaV ina en hmin maqhte to mh uper a gegraptai ***** ina mh eiV uper tou enoV fusiousqe kata tou eterou

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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[MrPolo]

As the text reads, Paul is exhorting his reader not to go beyond what is written about being puffed up.

From St. Thomas Aquinas commentary, 13th century:

For it says in Pr (1:6): “To understand a proverb and a figure, the words of the wise and their riddles,” and this for your benefit: “All things are for your sakes” (2 Cor 4:15); that you may learn by us that none of you may be puffed up, i.e., with pride, in favor of one, i.e., for any 57 of Christ’s ministers, against another [above that which is written], i.e., beyond the form described in the foregoing; for Wis (4:19) states: “He will dash them puffed up and speechless to the ground.”​

 

[Yarddog]

I was studying on this verse along with the greek texts and though there is a variance in one of the greek texts [W-H], I was wondering how others view this verse.
The way this is worded, it appears to say do not go beyond "what is written".

Is Paul talking about His letters, or the Gospels and Old Testament or the whole Bible. Thoughts?

4:6 I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written, so that none of you will be inflated with pride in favor of one person over against another.
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I basically go along with what MrPolo gives us from TA, it is about the OT. Paul has been chiding the Corinthian Church for being puffed up and thinking themselves to be wise.

He warns them in prior chapters and talks about the OT scriptures

1:18 The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the learning of the learned I will set aside." 20 Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith.

(The scripture that Paul refers to here is the septuagint version of Isaiah 29:14)
14 Therefore behold I will proceed to remove this people, and I will remove them: and I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will hide the understanding of the prudent.

1:25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. 26 Consider your own calling, brothers. Not many of you were wise by human standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 Rather, God chose the foolish of the world to shame the wise, and God chose the weak of the world to shame the strong, 28 and God chose the lowly and despised of the world, those who count for nothing, to reduce to nothing those who are something, 29 so that no human being might boast before God. 30 It is due to him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, as well as righteousness, sanctification, and redemption, 31 so that, as it is written, "Whoever boasts, should boast in the Lord."

(v31 refers Jeremiah 9: 22-23)
Jeremiah 9:
22 Thus says the LORD: Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, nor the strong man glory in his strength, nor the rich man glory in his riches; 23 But rather, let him who glories, glory in this, that in his prudence he knows me, Knows that I, the LORD, bring about kindness, justice and uprightness on the earth; For with such am I pleased, says the LORD.



3: 18
Let no one deceive himself. If any one among you considers himself wise in this age, let him become a fool so as to become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in the eyes of God, for it is written: "He catches the wise in their own ruses," 20 and again: "The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain." 21 So let no one boast about human beings, for everything belongs to you,

(v19 refers to Job 5:13) He catches the wise in their own ruses, and the designs of the crafty are routed.(v20 refers to Psalm 94:11 of the septuagint)
11 The Lord knows the thoughts of men, that they are vain.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

4:6 I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written, so that none of you will be inflated with pride in favor of one person over against another.
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I basically go along with what MrPolo gives us from TA, it is about the OT. Paul has been chiding the Corinthian Church for being puffed up and thinking themselves to be wise.

He warns them in prior chapters and talks about the OT scriptures

1:18 The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the learning of the learned I will set aside." 20 Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith.

(The scripture that Paul refers to here is the septuagint version of Isaiah 29:14)
14 Therefore behold I will proceed to remove this people, and I will remove them: and I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will hide the understanding of the prudent.

1:25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. 26 Consider your own calling, brothers. Not many of you were wise by human standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 Rather, God chose the foolish of the world to shame the wise, and God chose the weak of the world to shame the strong, 28 and God chose the lowly and despised of the world, those who count for nothing, to reduce to nothing those who are something, 29 so that no human being might boast before God. 30 It is due to him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, as well as righteousness, sanctification, and redemption, 31 so that, as it is written, "Whoever boasts, should boast in the Lord."

(v31 refers Jeremiah 9: 22-23)
Jeremiah 9:
22 Thus says the LORD: Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, nor the strong man glory in his strength, nor the rich man glory in his riches; 23 But rather, let him who glories, glory in this, that in his prudence he knows me, Knows that I, the LORD, bring about kindness, justice and uprightness on the earth; For with such am I pleased, says the LORD.

3: 18
Let no one deceive himself. If any one among you considers himself wise in this age, let him become a fool so as to become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in the eyes of God, for it is written: "He catches the wise in their own ruses," 20 and again: "The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain." 21 So let no one boast about human beings, for everything belongs to you,

(v19 refers to Job 5:13) He catches the wise in their own ruses, and the designs of the crafty are routed.(v20 refers to Psalm 94:11 of the septuagint)
11 The Lord knows the thoughts of men, that they are vain.

Thank you for posting that

 

[Standing Up]

Have we seen the outcome of going above what is written?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Have we seen the outcome of going above what is written?

Ummm, confusion perhaps?


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[narnia59]

I was studying on this verse along with the greek texts and though there is a variance in one of the greek texts [W-H], I was wondering how others view this verse.
The way this is worded, it appears to say do not go beyond "what is written".

Is Paul talking about His letters, or the Gospels and Old Testament or the whole Bible. Thoughts?

1 Corinthians 4:6 These-things yet brethren! I after-figure into myself and Apollos thru/because-of ye.
That in us ye may be learning the no above/over that which hath been Written/gegraptai <1125> (5769), *to think* that no one over the one ye may be being puffed up against the other/different.

Textus Rec.) 1 Corinthians 4:6 tauta de adelfoi meteschmatisa eiV emauton kai *apollw di umaV
ina en hmin maqhte to mh uper *o gegraptai *fronein* ina mh eiV uper tou enoV fusiousqe kata tou eterou

I've heard an alternative view to this I find quite credible given the context. Paul does not mention Scripture (the graphe); people assume that's what he is referring to. The context is not about settling an issue of doctrine however.

The context is about who will be saved (not doctrinally how one is saved). In verse 2 Paul refers to the need for ministers to be found faithful. In verses 3 and 4 he states it's a small thing for him to be judged by any of them and notes that he does not even judge himself for while he is not aware of anything against himself it has to be Christ who judges him and determines whether or not he is in fact justified.

Verse 5 gives the warning then to judge nothing before The Lord comes and brings everything to light and we will be praised by God.

Then comes the admonishment to not go beyond what is written that no one can be puffed up against one another.

Given the context is about individual justification and judgment and Scripture is not specifically mentioned, I think it's worth considering this is not a reference to Scripture at all but rather is referring to the Lamb's Book of Life which is where those who are justified have their names recorded. It makes more sense in context with recognizing that we are not our own judge, but rather Christ alone has that role. We can pronounce our own self saved until the cows come home but in reality the only thing that matters is what Christ says and whether He has recorded our names in the Book of Life, the opening of which will bring everything to light. Getting puffed up against each other is going beyond what is written because Christ alone gets to judge our lives.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

I was studying on this verse along with the greek texts and though there is a variance in one of the greek texts [W-H], I was wondering how others view this verse.
The way this is worded, it appears to say do not go beyond "what is written".

Is Paul talking about His letters, or the Gospels and Old Testament or the whole Bible. Thoughts?

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I've heard an alternative view to this I find quite credible given the context. Paul does not mention Scripture (the graphe); people assume that's what he is referring to. The context is not about settling an issue of doctrine however.

The context is about who will be saved (not doctrinally how one is saved). In verse 2 Paul refers to the need for ministers to be found faithful. In verses 3 and 4 he states it's a small thing for him to be judged by any of them and notes that he does not even judge himself for while he is not aware of anything against himself it has to be Christ who judges him and determines whether or not he is in fact justified.

Verse 5 gives the warning then to judge nothing before The Lord comes and brings everything to light and we will be praised by God.

Then comes the admonishment to not go beyond what is written that no one can be puffed up against one another.

Given the context is about individual justification and judgment and Scripture is not specifically mentioned, I think it's worth considering this is not a reference to Scripture at all but rather is referring to the Lamb's Book of Life which is where those who are justified have their names recorded. It makes more sense in context with recognizing that we are not our own judge, but rather Christ alone has that role. We can pronounce our own self saved until the cows come home but in reality the only thing that matters is what Christ says and whether He has recorded our names in the Book of Life, the opening of which will bring everything to light. Getting puffed up against each other is going beyond what is written because Christ alone gets to judge our lives.

Very interesting post.
Thank you.......


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