“Evil” is a stupid concept and doesn’t exist.

Chinchilla said:

In materialistic world view stronger is eating weaker to survive , so multiple strongers are eating multiple weakers .
According to that Hitler was not a bad guy he simply was stronger than his neighbours and wanted to evolve himself and his people over other animals so he simply wanted to destroy them so he has more land for himself and his nation .

Good or Evil does not exist in that world view .

There is no such thing as rape in that world view . Let's take dolphins for example , two dolphins guard one female dolphin , both copulating with her if she wants it or not because they are trying to preserve thier genes . After the copulation they find other female dolphin and leave this one because thier job was done with her .

Since humans are animals according to that world view we are no better than these dolphins , guy "raping" woman simply wanted his genes preserved she likes it or not it's not imporant .

Murder is also not possible in that world view . Praying Mantis is eating male's head after sex for example . If you assume human being are animals then the murderer is no better than this praying mantis they just did that for whatever reason .

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gaara4158 said:

I’m curious, why does a materialistic worldview necessitate a moral system that values hostility over cooperation?

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Chinchilla said:

Who had the idea of female praying mantis eating male , the male is trying to escape when she is eating his face alive how can this be called cooperation when he is opposing her .

Also how did she pass it on her children so they eat thier husband aswell ? If she passed that thing with DNA the male ones should be aware of being eaten .

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Shoetoyou said:

@VirOptimus, I didn’t want to hijack the thread in which you stated this, but I am curious as to exactly what you mean by it, and on what you base your concept of morality.

If the concept of “evil” is not a real thing, do you see those things that are commonly called “evil”, such as murder, rape, theft, etc., to be equally as moral as those things commonly called “good”, such as generosity, kindness, etc.? And on what do you base your moral ideals? Or do you see “morality” as completely irrelevant (in which case, are you really okay with those things commonly referred to as evil)?

(I’m not looking to debate or argue, just trying to get clarification and better understanding of your position.)

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gaara4158 said:

That’s actually only a behavior observed in captivity, but regardless, that doesn’t answer my question. There are plenty of species that aren’t exclusively hostile with one another. Some species even sacrifice their own reproductive abilities and lives for the good of the colony. Ever heard of bees? So again I ask, why must a materialistic worldview value hostility over cooperation?

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Shoetoyou said:

@VirOptimus, I didn’t want to hijack the thread in which you stated this, but I am curious as to exactly what you mean by it, and on what you base your concept of morality.

If the concept of “evil” is not a real thing, do you see those things that are commonly called “evil”, such as murder, rape, theft, etc., to be equally as moral as those things commonly called “good”, such as generosity, kindness, etc.? And on what do you base your moral ideals? Or do you see “morality” as completely irrelevant (in which case, are you really okay with those things commonly referred to as evil)?

(I’m not looking to debate or argue, just trying to get clarification and better understanding of your position.)

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Chinchilla said:

There is no such thing as hostility or cooperation , bees for example are controled by queen and her pheromones , if bees feel not strong controled they will eat the queen and hatch new one .

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Chinchilla said:

In materialistic world view stronger is eating weaker to survive , so multiple strongers are eating multiple weakers .
According to that Hitler was not a bad guy he simply was stronger than his neighbours and wanted to evolve himself and his people over other animals so he simply wanted to destroy them so he has more land for himself and his nation .

Good or Evil does not exist in that world view .

There is no such thing as rape in that world view . Let's take dolphins for example , two dolphins guard one female dolphin , both copulating with her if she wants it or not because they are trying to preserve thier genes . After the copulation they find other female dolphin and leave this one because thier job was done with her .

Since humans are animals according to that world view we are no better than these dolphins , guy "raping" woman simply wanted his genes preserved she likes it or not it's not imporant .

Murder is also not possible in that world view . Praying Mantis is eating male's head after sex for example . If you assume human being are animals then the murderer is no better than this praying mantis they just did that for whatever reason .

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Shoetoyou said:

Thank you for replying.

So what then is the fundamental basis for your moral code?

(Again, I do not plan to debate or argue - I am looking to understand your position. Thank you.)

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Shoetoyou said:

I see. So that would provide a solid basis for your behavior in regards to others. Makes sense.

But what about something like murder. Assuming you are against it for yourself, would/could you say that it is “wrong” for someone else to commit murder, or that it is simply useful for society for society to prevent it, but that it has no intrinsic moral condition?

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Shoetoyou said:

What makes murder wrong in your view in most cases? Or in broader terms, what principles make something wrong in your view?

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Shoetoyou said:

Admirable.

But why should we care about how others feel or damage caused to them (unless we benefit ourselves indirectly)?

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