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Oh, my. I don't trust vaccines any more. We just found out that the Hepatitis, Polio, Measle and a number of other vaccines use cells from aborted fetuses, and the recent influenza shot my wife got utilized cells from a canine pancreas. A recent medical journal stated also that the COVID...

Perhaps, then, I should have phrased it in another way. I don't even see the concept of a required purging in the text anywhere, in spite of the added words in the English to fill in the grammar that translates the thought into our language. Yes, I have gone back and looked at the references...

You protestants? I'm a biblicist. If you're going to slap inappropriate labels on everyone around you, then it looks like we're not going to have a productive conversation.

All I can offer to you is what is written along this line: [Romans 1:18-23] 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath...

Understood, but when I try to mesh it with the Bible, I don't see it in there.

Ok, so where does the Bible name "purgatory"? Mine doesn't have that name in any language.

[1 John 1:9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So, we see here that we're cleansed from ALL unrighteousness in Christ Jesus when He was made sin for us. I have seen some refer to "venial" sins. Are those sins...

That's why I created this thread...to explore the definition of that belief and to see if it withstands the test of scripture. Some of the other roman catholics in this thread have called it "purging." So, what's YOUR definition?

It goes to credibility. If there is a place for purging, then one cannot escape the conclusion that Christ did NOT become sin for us, as is written. The scriptures give me no reason to believe: * there is sin, * there are half way sins, and then * non-sin. Sin is sin, from what I have always...

That sounds rather "blanket." Not all Jews believed it, nor do many of them believe it now....either that, or my Jewish friends are lying to me. Theologically developed? That implies the understanding was therefore man-made rather than God-breathed. Is that a correct assessment of what you...

No. Are there such people? I think you're correct. I agree. Both sides of any argument have all manner of authorities and scholars to which each side may subscribe. It's a blessing to us all that we're not confined to schisms and not knowing how to find the answers. 1 John 2:27 provides the...

[Rom 6:6, 12] 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. ... 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. [Rom. 8:10] And if Christ [be] in you...

I have already explained in here my purpose for posting here. I have been beat up in the grouping forums for daring to ask question, because doing so was assumed to be brute force attack. Besides, when asking questions, that isn't an offensive attack. If there is merit to the claims behind a...

Ok. That's why I'm here, having created this thread. If there is some sort of need to have some sins burned away through burning in some place called "purgatory," then what other conclusion can be drawn other than the fact that such a teaching suggests there is some measure of lack in the...

You continue to swing your battle ax rather than to simply discuss the merits of the questions posed. Are you referring to the ROMAN catholic church? I too am catholic, just not ROMAN catholic. True. Now, if I may, there is another CLEAR teaching in the Bible that needs no explanation...

Wow. That seems grossly unfair. Why would they maintain that only against those who are already priests? Have they ever explained that?

I hope you don't mind, then, that I currently will stick with the biblical teaching that that the blood of Christ Jesus is sufficient to cleanse me from ALL unrighteousness, making me pure and clean, and, as the scriptures declare, I am the "righteousness of God" in Christ Jesus. It was imputed...

Oh, my. I have to say that I much prefer to look only to Christ Jesus rather than to think that I must do things on my part to allegedly make up for what some think is a lack in the power of the Blood of Christ Jesus. I couldn't enter into a system of works when I read the scriptures for what...

So, does that mean we can't read the catholic writings for what they say, understand what we read about their stance, and therefore need someone to interpret for us in the place of the writings themselves? To me, that seems to suggest that the writers of those catechisms and other doctrinal...

I did that a year or so ago about other questions, and some folks took it personal, so that's why I took it here. I knew some adherents would find this eventually, and perhaps tone down some with the realization we're not in their sacred area. I don't like walking on egg shells.