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if it's not Roman or Byzantine, then what/where is this Catholic Church that you speak of? Can you document it for me?

Grand Dragon, or Grand Poh Ba, lol... only a yankee could. It's Grand wizard.:D

Oh, the drama. Where's that rolling eyes smiley at? I think I'm going to petition we bring him back. :rolleyes: You realize SD, these are just opinions of yours? What you think about the matter? It's not a reality or true at all, it is just what you think. If it's some...

Who's "extra biblical" rule is this? Do you see the circular illogic? If scripture is silent, it's extra biblical but the bible does not say that, so the rule that says it, is extra biblical itself. You obviously have no problem with "extra biblical" doctrines, sola scripture itself...

and we agree Ish. You still do not understand what "The Church" is. It is Christ's divine institution, it is not merely a building.

What is this, infallible commentary? the "right" translation? Says who dude? So if you take the symbol in sin, you take it in judgement of your temporal soul? Explain the logic because I'm truly missing it. Here's the verse, use your brain that god gave you and make sense of this...

Is it byzantine?

Insults won't get neither of us very far, Holdon. No, it isn't for you to determine, why would it be? You aren't a Catholic who actually knows about the faith. This much has been apparent from the small sampling of your posts in this thread. Based on what I have read from you, you are...

LOL.

what ever... you asked if we believe he lords over us, no we don't. On Christ's command, He is a servant to us. It will assume that you stand corrected on this matter. We do not serve him, he us. Period. Have a good day.

Where did I say there is a condition that you must be convinced? I just asked if you wish to discuss with out all the bull. It is your assertion that assumption of Mary, etc aren't biblical concepts, but extra biblical concepts. Frankly, there is no such thing as an "extra biblical"...

hey Holden, "There are almost as many sects and beliefs as there are heads; . . . There is not an individual, however clownish he may be who does not claim to be inspired by the Holy Ghost, and who does not put forth as prophecies his ravings and dreams" - Martin Luther We all can claim...

Second thought, you shouldn't have to even dignify certain absurd comments, precisely because they are absurd.

UB, is your assertion, if we take a symbol of Christ's body and blood in a unworthy manner, it will damn us? You have eternal security but you can be damned if you receive this symbol unworthy?

No, they are... and if you are open and willing to have an actual conversation about it I would be more than happy to have it with you. But if you are one of those who refused to "listen" to a word we say and just want to spew absurdities, then don't waste my time.

It's about time you stand up to the absurd comments others make against us.

Nope. sorry to disappoint you. Your claim was the pope needs to submit to you. The pope does, you of course reject it. But the pope is a servant of the Lord, to all ppl everywhere. He is who teaches us the faith in union with all of Christ's Church, that Christ entrusted to them teach...

Got that right... So it teaches you with out any input from your own intellect? It just opens up itself an "teaches" you? Okie, dokie, smoky.

Holden, The pope does submit to us, he is a servant out of fear of the Lord.

No, that can be found in the bible and never contradicted by it. But but, I can say the same to you... only if you would be honest enough to accept sacred Tradition, you would too see that the bible is pro Catholic. See? We both can throw out subjective statements that are true to us...