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Fru, As you see it, Hell is God’s punishment for being born a sinner. Example: A native pigmy comes into the world and dies without knowledge or confession of Christ and then is punished for all eternity for such a blunder. A child is born and dies at birth without confession or faith is...

Let me see if I understand this; Christ didn’t purchase all humanity with his blood, if we don’t believe it’s as if he never died, if you lived prior to the cross you can’t be saved, and if you aren’t one of the chosen few you have no hope? Do I have it right? Is this what is referred to as...

Ken, Maybe I can make my point best by asking some simple questions. According to Calvinism, what happened at the cross regarding sin and atonement? What must one do to secure propititation of sin. What must one do to be saved? What must one do to become chosen or elect.

It would seem that common sense would tell us that Atonement is absolute and Salvation is limited. Atonement was a final act of God to reconcile and restore fallen man. It was a one-time event in space and time and cannot be improved on or added to. It was universal in its coverage and...

Interesting point, Rize. If Jesus warned us not to limit our love to those that deserve it, then it would stand to reason that God would be all the more exalted by restoring the worst of mankind, no matter how long it takes. Maybe we need to think a little more outside the box. Do you...

Paul also said that none of us are righteous… not one; and the best we can hope for is still considered filthy rags. Do you believe that your flesh isn’t included? Have you found a way to live without any unrighteousness in your life? Are you that confident that we don’t all fit among the...

Rize, I appreciate the links on UR. They will give me many hours of reading.

OS, I can appreciate the need to accept what God did for us in order to experience the fullness of life and salvation, but it would seem that God's restoration work of the cross is not up for debate. As I read some of Paul's writings it would appear that he didn't think acceptance or...

JT, Interesting perspective; are you saying that hell is corrective and not eternal?

OS, You still seem to think that I deny the many scriptures that describe God mighty judgments. As you have so accurately pointed out, they are there to warn and direct all of God's creation. They certainly do exist... and I'm sure they were given for a good reason. Praise God. My...

I may be over-confident in God’s love and mercy, but I can visualize that. Think how grand it would be if God's will was that 'none should perish'. Maybe God can't get his own will, but if nothing is impossible with God, why not? Would it offend you? I can think of a bigger sinner then these...

Was Jesus lying when he said: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you… God is kind to the unthankful and evil. Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful... And this... if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? (Lk 6) How...

I have read these passages and they seem very clear but if they mean what we think they mean they would conflict with others promises such as: Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Rom 11:26 … and all Israel shall be saved, And...

I’m just speaking hypothetically, however, if God’s chosen people were blinded for 2000 years why not the very elect, too? Paul said that God put a spirit of stupor on Israel and eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, so why couldn’t he do this to the Church, too? (Rom...

Peace to you OldShepherd. His passion is honorable and I respect it. He obviously is a sincere man, but in all due respect, his bias makes it difficult to approach the discussion with any kind of objective reasoning. Once a discussion lapses to personal attacks it tends to lose all...

OS, I'm not a Muslim or a Universalist and I have never even read one page of the Koran. I didn't say I had any answers and my knowledge of God is limited to my simple understanding of him. I claim no skill for scriptural exegesis. I was simply asking your opinion since you seem to have...

I’m not sure what group you think I belong to. I’m not involved in a church or denomination but I do have a great interest in theology and scripture. That’s why I’m interested your view as much as FL. You can argue if you like but I would prefer to ask questions and learn from others. I...

Thank you for your response. I understand where you are coming from, but it seems like we are missing something. Scripture also says that we are all blood-bought. He died for the world. If Christ purchased all humanity with his blood who has not been bought? If every tongue will one day...

This conversation prompted me to do a quick word search on the world ALL to see how it is used in scripture. Eph 1:10 …when all things are fulfilled and at the appointed time it is God's pleasure to gather ALL things in Christ. Rm 11:36 … ALL things come from him and will return to...