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So do I. Here is the kicker. God is so powerful that He can incorporate Mary's request into His plan, before she even made it. With all due respect, I believe you are stuck thinking in linear time, whereas with God, time is not linear.

There is another option, and it does not mean that He makes "wrong decisions," because that is ludicrous, as we both know.  He has a plan, and that plan includes allowing His creations to interact with Him, because it pleases Him.  He likes to be glorified and worshipped, through...

No He didn't make the wrong decisions, heh, He allowed His creations to interact with Him, out of love. So, you have my opinion, what is yours?  Did Mary change His mind, or did He not tell the truth when He said it wasn't His time? ;)

Absolutely.  There isn't anything in God's Word that is just there for no reason.  That conversation was VERY important and telling.  He says, ""Woman, what does this concern me? It is not my time." But then He did it anyway.  Right after, she says, "Do whatever He tells...

He said it wasn't His time.  Either He was being truthful, or not, right? If He was being turthful, which we all agree, then it wasn't His time, and He allowed Mary to change His mind. 

Exactly, and He knows who is "choice" before creation, but He doesn't predestine them as if they have no part in the matter, heh.

Yes.

The really bad thing is that some Catholics believe these things as well, or at least, give off the impression of it.  

Ref- The truth does set us free. So, would you please refer to my previous post and offer your opinion of this proof of intercessionary requests changing God's mind?

Then why did Jesus tell Mary that it wasn't his time, when she asked Him to turn the water into wine, but yet, He did it anyway. He allowed her to change His mind, or else He was lying when He said it wasn't His time, and we both know that isnt possible.  In other words, if it was...

I dont get it... Then they arent your decisions, are they?

Blessings for the poor? :P

Ok, see this is where I am confused. First you stated that: And then you stated that: How can we be responsible for our own actions if they are not our actions?  If we only obey either (a) our sinful natures, or (b) God's grace, then we are not deciding anything, so how...

The doctrine of Irresistible Grace states that God wills a person who is elect to believe, and that it is therefore impossible for that person not to believe. This contradicts the Bible, for there are many examples of those who indeed resisted: In John 5:39-40, Jesus said that the...

Thats good to know.  Discussion is nothing to fear!

First, let's be clear what we are discussing: Unconditional Election is also known as "Calvinistic Predestination." The scripture teaches predestination, but not Calvinistic Predestination. Scripture predestination is where God pre-determined, not the identity of the saved, but the character...

Great!  I will get some of them together for us to study, thanks.

What about the "plain and evident" scripture that contradicts the idea of election? Would you be interested in discussing it? Thanks

So if I don't agree with your interpretation of those verses in Romans, etc, then my heart is "of stone" and I am not one of the elect?

An interesting note is that if you compare the quotations that the NT authors used, when citing the OT, it is an exact match with the Greek OT, the Septuagint, which included the Apocrypha. So obviously, the NT writers believed that the Septuagint was valid as the Word of God. By...