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  1. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    I will only use scripture to support my claim that God is not three persons. What can we conclude, in regards to the number of God, by listing the occurrences of these words or phrases as they appear in relation to God in the Bible- "Holy One", "One", "Holy Trinity", "Trinity", "Triune"...
  2. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    This passage does not say this at all. I've already posted the passage and anyone can read the passage and see that you are merely reading something into it that is not there. You are saying the passage says something when the passage itself says nothing of the sort. It is merely your private...
  3. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    Holy Spirit What about the Holy Spirit? While the distinction between the Father and Son can be explained by the incarnation, when it comes to the Father and the Spirit there is no incarnational distinction. How is it that the Spirit is distinct from the Father? Is the Holy Spirit a...
  4. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    Why be a Trinitarian? by Jason Dulle JasonDulle@aol.com Introduction Why should we conclude that God is a Trinity of persons; i.e. God's eternal essence subsists in three distinct and eternal persons: Father, Son, Spirit? Is the Biblical evidence as overwhelmingly compelling as many...
  5. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    This is our issue: trinitarians such as yourself claim that Jesus was the 2nd person of the trinity and therefore is God. Yet you claim, that the 2nd person of the trinity is co-equal with the 1st person of the trinity - God the Father. If your claim is true, that "the Son of God" is God...
  6. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    What you said has not been said by us, but I will clarify in answer to your question. Jesus would not have existed without God dwelling in Him. By making that statement above, we are simply distinguishing (identifying) between His two natures (Spirit and flesh). Without God, Jesus would...
  7. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    Does a son have a beginning? A son, by very nature of the word, must have not existed first, and then come into existence by birth to then be called a son. "The Son of God" is a term referring to God's manifestation in the flesh, in other words his humanity. Hi humanity was born on a certain...
  8. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    WHY DID JESUS PRAY IF HE WAS GOD? BY: E. G. BASS ---------------------------------- The question has been asked, "If the Lord Jesus Christ was God, why did he pray to the Father?" We teach by the word of God that there is ONE GOD, the creator of the heavens and the earth and all...
  9. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    Jesus' Prayers by Jason Dulle JasonDulle@aol.com Why?!? This is one of the first questions raised in the minds of those who begin to realize that Jesus not only prayed, but He also led a religious life with God. Why did Jesus pray? If He was God He wouldn not need to pray would He? Yes He...
  10. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    When you say this I interpret it as you referring to the Deity of Jesus Christ. In that case, yes, God was the Word (of Life) that manifested in the flesh. That is referring the Spirit of God (Deity - the Father), who has no beginning or end. However, "The Son of God" does have a beginning...
  11. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    Well, the term "eternal Son" in the scriptures is never used, so we don't use it either. However, we do find the term "begotten son" in John 3:16. This word in the greek means single of its kind and used of only sons or daughters. Sons and daughters have a definitive beginning because they...
  12. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    my quote: I don’t know where your coming up with this. I plainly said, scriptures do not refer to a mystery of 3 in 1 in the Godhead. There is no mystery referred by scripture regarding the Godhead. You wanna' quote me so I know where you are coming from or did you paraphrase? You can’t hold to...
  13. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but does not the TD state that Jesus was the 2nd person of the trinity that came in the flesh? The second person being the Son of God? That was my understanding. The mystery of God Himself coming the flesh in only a mystery to those who have a veil over there eyes and...
  14. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    I've quoted from many different places from this book. Yes. If you would like, I could use other quotes from other authors. When I have had the time, I've tried to express in my own words many of the things that Bernard affirms, and have done that a lot. When I run out of time or I can tell I...
  15. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    The point is, LouisBooth, you can't attach any special significance to a captial letter in the English bible, when originally there was no special significance added to it in the original manuscripts. You can only read and interpret it in its context. Not because it has a capital letter. That's...
  16. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    Bernard concludes with this; Conclusion In conclusion, we have learned that the term "Son of God" refers to the Incarnation, or the manifestation of God in flesh. God planned the Son before the world began, but the Son did not come into actual substantial existence until the fulness of...
  17. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    Continued from Bernard: The Son and Creation Hebrews 1:2 states that God made the worlds by the Son. Similarly, Colossians 1:13-17 says all things were created by the Son, and Ephesians 3:9 says all things were created by Jesus Christ. What does creation "by the Son" mean, since the Son...
  18. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    Continued from Bernard: "The Purposes For The Son Since the role of the Son of God is temporary and not eternal, why did God choose to reveal Himself through the Son? Why did He beget the Son? The primary purpose of the Son is to be our Savior. The work of salvation required many roles...
  19. jbenjesus

    Trinitarian Doctrine

    Continued from Bernard: "Begotten Son Or Eternal Son? John 3:16 calls Jesus the only begotten Son of God. However, many people use the phrase "eternal Son." Is this latter phrase correct? No. The Bible never uses it and it expresses a concept contradicted by Scripture. The word begotten...