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  1. RandyPNW

    Thessalonians 4 Does Not Teach a Rapture Separate from the Second Coming

    I said this, in case you didn't read it or understand it: "I do see how you may read it, because it appears that the Son of Man 1st approaches the Court of Heaven, the Ancient of Days, before he comes to establish God's Kingdom. And Christ did ascend 1st to heaven, to the right hand of God the...
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    If God can replace Israel, He can replace the Church, too

    I of course agree with that! But that brings us full circle--I believe that NT apostolic teaching does, in fact, teach the future salvation of national Israel, following the return of Jesus. Rom 9-11. All of OT Scripture points to this, as well as to the fulfillment of nations of faith...
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    If God can replace Israel, He can replace the Church, too

    I'm not sure how you're defining "didactics" here? In the OT most of the categories of Scripture are viewed as "not didactical." In the NT we have the Gospels as history and the book of Acts as history. Do you then see these as "didactical" too? I think what you're really aiming at...
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    Progressive Covenentalism

    Ladd is a favorite of mine. I was reading him back in the 70s. In fact, I sent a letter to him and received a note back indicating that he had died. I started reading him as I struggled over the debate between pretribism and postribism. I picked up a book by him and a book by Gundry. Ladd...
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    If God can replace Israel, He can replace the Church, too

    OT Prophecy did not invite non-Christian interpretations. It simply was written before Christianity had come into existence. It did not need NT revelation to be understood within its own legal context. It simply looked forward to its fulfillment and to the understanding of its fulfillment after...
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    If God can replace Israel, He can replace the Church, too

    Your purpose seems to be to question the authority of all Scripture if it does not agree with your sense of "NT didactics?" Of course, Scripture agrees with itself, Law, History, Poetry, Prophecy, etc. But the idea that Scripture agrees with NT fundamentals is as old as the hills, though it does...
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    Thessalonians 4 Does Not Teach a Rapture Separate from the Second Coming

    Dan 7.13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped...
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    Blessed are the dead, those who die in the Lord from this moment on

    Context determines for each vision what its place in history is. How it should be read, with respect to chronological sequence, should be self-explanatory.
  9. RandyPNW

    Thessalonians 4 Does Not Teach a Rapture Separate from the Second Coming

    Yes, when I respond to your post I'm really responding to any readers of our exchange. I'm not trying to debate with you or be disagreeable. I'm just stating as fact what I personally believe on the matter of postribulational belief. Yes, we believe in Postrib for different reasons. But there...
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    Blessed are the dead, those who die in the Lord from this moment on

    You referred in the opening post to the harvest in the book of Revelation being next to and following the martyrdom of the saints. And you asked why this would be so, since martyrs are said to be "blessed." I wasn't sure what your point was except that it seemed related to your notion that the...
  11. RandyPNW

    Marriage of the Lamb before the Second Coming of Christ

    I have not failed at all. You're just not accepting my reasons. I'm not sure if you claiming *every vision* given in the Revelation takes place consecutively, in chronological order, or if you're just saying that a particular vision within the book of Revelation is in exact chronological...
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    If God can replace Israel, He can replace the Church, too

    Sorry, one teaches from biblical prophecy. Prophetic Scriptures are authoritative and can be taught. Your attempt to classify Scriptures into different types has little bearing on your notion that anything other than Didactic Style is clear, whereas all else invites several interpretations...
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    Blessed are the dead, those who die in the Lord from this moment on

    Yes, I gave you the reason for not reading all of the visions of Revelation as if describing history in the structure of a strict chronological sequence. It is because each vision is shown to have its own chronological sequence. When considering each vision in relation to other visions, the...
  14. RandyPNW

    Marriage of the Lamb before the Second Coming of Christ

    You're making my whole argument for me. What you admit is a future event is mentioned at the beginning of the book of Revelation. The visions in the book are not in chronological sequence. Each vision has its own chronological sequence.
  15. RandyPNW

    If God can replace Israel, He can replace the Church, too

    Are you actually trying to prove a point based on the assumption that only Rom 11.23 is "apostolic teaching?" As I've said repeatedly, the Apostle John was an apostle, and his Revelation, though prophetic, symbolic, and apocalyptic, was still of "teaching" value. If you don't think so, then...
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    Blessed are the dead, those who die in the Lord from this moment on

    You see that you didn't listen? I said that to claim this was "reversed" is predicated on the belief there was a chronological order to start with. It isn't "reversed" because there was no fixed progression to start with.
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    Marriage of the Lamb before the Second Coming of Christ

    Of course not. We know we're looking at a future event because of the future tense and also because of the context. But you can't ignore the present tense, as well, indicating it is a "prolepsis." My point is that the Revelation is a series of visions, each with their own emphasis. They are...
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    Marriage of the Lamb before the Second Coming of Christ

    No, it is not false. I quoted it for you. It begins with "Behold," which is present tense. As I said, a "prolepsis" is a future event being shown as if it is happening in the present. I'm not talking about the chronological sequence of "cutting a diamond," but of the fact each facet can be...
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    Blessed are the dead, those who die in the Lord from this moment on

    Confusion comes when you don't listen to what someone else is saying and mis-read them. I told you what my position was, that the narrative of the book of Revelation has a sequence that does not list events in chronological order. There are a good number of visions within larger visions, and...
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    You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect

    I agree. Not only will the unbelieving world not be ready for Christ's sudden appearance but believers also are not given to know the precise day and hour of his Return. But we are told that we can recognize signs of his relative soon appearance. That's why John gave us the Revelation, not...
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