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... those teachers teach at an Orthodox seminary ... You know, you act like I should friggin' apologise for stating. an. opinion. of. which. there. is. no. reason. to take. offense. unless. one. searches. for reasons. to. do. so. That is, um. Interesting.

I could be terribly wrong but I do not think those who say so feel like you. Quite the contrary. I have it from both Eastern and Oriental folks. Your opinon is noted. As I already said, I have no good sources and will have to leave this at that. You are, of course, free to state your opinion a...

Politics and misunderstanding, is what I have heard. It's what I wrote here, too. Emphasis on translation problems, IIRC. But I don't have a good source so I will have to leave it at that. To the rest of you: please don't misquote me any more and oversimplify? or I'll come back to this thread...

I'd never say purely political. I did write " more about politics", "mostly depend on" etc. It is true that these documents of official dialogue sometimes seems of limited value. But at least I don't think it's sensible to discuss like it's all about theology. It problably never was, and never...

Well, I'm not good at finding the sources for this. I really don't have much clue about Orthodox internet but this is what Orthodox university teachers have told me. Not totally sure if they referred to what scholars of today say, or what the Oriental-Byzantine dialogue has come down to. But I...

It could well be so. I don't know these churches from the inside, that proudly label others as heretics who will go to hell. But all the way from the Council of Chalcedon in 451, stuff that really was more about politics have been dressed in the clothes of theological differences. Today...

Anastasia, I suppose the Greek style is more difficult to learn than Russian style, when it comes to the music. But it seems to be a lot to learn, yeah! Interesting insights. Anhelyna, that was a VERY good link. Thanks! Orthodoxwiki is so exhaustive. It exhausts me. This is short, and to the...

If my web sources know what they are talking about, having a short vigilia every Saturday evening (well, probably longer on bigger feasts) is Russian style. We're Russia-derived, sort of, so it makes sense. But I'm not surprised if ours is the shortest there is. Beginning at 5 pm (surprisingly...

I've seen the word protopsaltis, yes. When I googled it, I found plenty of people whose surname is Protopsaltis. Well there are people called Cantor, too. Typically - well I guess this might vary. But in your tradition (and others who read this), is a cantor/psaltis/whatever someone who has...

Sounds resonable. The word vigil in itself - vigilia in Latin - means to wake. And a typicon is ...? (this certainly is a crash course in Greek)

Tom Wright can. N. T. Wright - Wikipedia

I see it this opinion a lot, these days. Most recently, in the Eastern Orthodox forum here. A couple of weeks before that, it was a Lutheran bishop who said it. If I remember correctly, I first encountered the thought in a Youtube talk or interview with NT Wright. He has a lot of influence, in...

This easily is the best one, IMO. St. Patrick's Bad Analogies. On explaining the Trinity.

I don't think it's about beliefs, really. Now, I'd stay out of any place where people try and identify others as destined for hell. I know of such Christians, but I don't know any. The kinds of Protestantisms I have felt most at home in are versions where the interest in, and the influx of ideas...

Are there quarter tones in this, or something else - blue notes, whatever - that can not be written in Western musical notation (and that my ears don't grasp)? A couple of years ago I had severe sleeping problems. Then I listened to this a lot. Not sure I can sing it correctly, though...

So, according to Orthodoxwiki: Orthros - morning (mattins) Hesperinos - evening (vespers) Apodipnon - late evening (compline) (should that be apodeipnon, with an e?) Mesonyktikon - midnight (not sure if Western monastics have that midnight prayer hour, and if so what they call it) John Behr...

Do you find any substantial difference in content betwee, form or origin between those services that have names, and those just named by the hours?

If "my" parish used those, I suppose I'd have no problems. You could be right. At least if there's substantail British influence. "Mattins" is the Anglican/Episcopal Church word. Catholics (and Lutherans) say Lauds or Laudes. That would kind of explain why the logical thing around here is to...

Vigil actually is a Latin word too. Strangly, we use that. Although it actually isn't a vigil - a wake - at all! Quoting orthodoxwiki "In Slavic tradition, it does not last all night but normally includes Vespers (or Great Compline), Mattins and the First Hour, and it is the standard Saturday...

And your joke here, I suppose, is that this happened like 200 years ago or so? At least some priests here (there's no deacon) omitts "the doors". (I've asked). Oh the horror. :-)