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Why stop there? Children aren't really able to survive on their own for at least the first couple of years - after that they can waddle around searching for food in trash cans and find shelter under bridges, or something. But until then, they're completely dependent - so if "it's, like, totally...

I'm not the one who's off topic here :oldthumbsup:

No. And if I had claimed that torture is "decent", I would love to make such a case. Now that I haven't, I'm not going to.

You do not exist.

But still based in nothing but "because we, like, kinda say so", which makes it random. And I notice you still haven't answered the question.

Read the entirety of Galatians; don't just cut-and-paste verses to serve your narrative. Edit: In fact - read the Bible; don't just cut-and-paste verses to serve your narrative. That's exactly what you said, and we both know it.

Doing what's right is always right - just as the Dredd Scott-decision was overturned, so too might justice be done for the murdered children, eventually.

I never said otherwise?

Please try to stay on topic

Quite - like the post I responded to. Mine was merely an illustration, while the post I responded to seemed to be serious.

Well, in the sense that it doesn't answer my question, yeah. Please try to keep up: The matter wasn't "does torture work?", but "is it indecent?", which Steve said it was. I then asked him on which objective basis he could make such a moral judgment, to which he answered: "Common decency. The...

If by that you mean "the logical conclusion based on the presented material", then yes, sure.

You said that, just as much as I said what you asked about.

Eventually. Definitely not at first. And also - the point is doing what's right for the sake of doing what's right.

So we should remove all children from parents as soon as they're born, and place them all in Government Sanctioned Raising Facilities staffed strictly by professional nurses and teachers, to ensure that no one who hasn't gotten the government's approval gets anywhere near children?

You gotta understand that's compleeeeeetely different, and you're racist just for asking!

It is their parents' responsibility to care for the children they bring into the world. Society only takes over if it becomes obvious that the parents can't handle the responsibility. Until then, it's the parents' responsibility, and no one else's.

So doing the right thing shouldn't be done, if it isn't likely to be immediately successful? I know of many resistence cells in Nazi Germany occupied Europe who would disagree with this.

Well, according to some people (not you) here on the forums, the Islamic State are not so bad after all, because they're sunni and fight Assad.

Nope I asked for am objective basis, not "whatever some group of people decide to randomly say they're all going to agree on."