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As Jesus might have said to Wittgenstein, language is made for humans, not humans for language? So your delineation of moral vs. righteous seems reasonable in the sense that distinguishing social norms from goodness (righteousness in your usage) is worth the extra ink. Given these definitions...

Nice topic. As a godless heathen I consider worship to be one of the redeeming qualities of religion. Anyone who has experienced the worship of a lover will know what I mean. This thread seems to have gone occasionally off the rails from a discussion of whether one should ever worship another...

This story seems to be an imperfect example if you're trying to draw a distinction between morality and righteousness, but again I think it depends on how you define your terms. Killing infants is not usually the best way to make the world a better place, if that's what you mean by "moral"...

Interesting choice of terminology. How do you differentiate morality from righteousness?

My Kantian friend wrote a fun paper arguing that George Washington, taking Parson Weem’s apocryphal cherry tree to be true, was not a moral person after all because he “could not tell a lie.” A decision only qualifies as “moral” if a person could have done otherwise, they must consciously...

I remember spit-balling to a Kantian some years ago, as I think you are suggesting here, that morality works like a muscle. The more we practice a particular virtue the stronger that "virtue muscle" gets. He insisted that from Kant's perspective each moral decision is always necessarily a...

Eddie, Bobby, what’s not to like? Heist movies are never critically acclaimed but I find good ones to be very high in Watchability. National Treasure has a similarly watchable quality.

This thread is a toughy. My career supports my wife and kids. When the kids were young she stayed at home, now she owns her own custom art business. She is smart, challenges me, and is my best friend. She is successful at everything she does, independent-minded, and not at all a push over...

Pizza making is sacred in my house but okay, you get the make your own fire pass :laughing:

I'm game. Out of respect for anonymouswife I'll start a new thread on the general topic on integrating sexuality in media into a marriage.

My wife and I encourage each other to enjoy portrayals of sex on screen and in writing, as in one of the few Bible books representing a woman's point of view, Song of Solomon which celebrates sex in front of an audience of concubines. This fear that sexual arousal for someone other than your...

Religious belief is an infinite-bounded set in my opinon, like the infinite set of numbers between 0 and 1. The infinite part is obvious. Within its boundaries a religion can evolve forever as new ideas come and go. But even the boundaries are much wider than is supposed. Almost every belief...

If you have nothing to contribute then don’t waste everyone’s time.

We can debate to what extent Western values come from “Biblical principles” as if there is such a monolithic thing but let’s leave that discussion for another day. I am still curious what religious values or beliefs you think did not come from some innovation of human thought.

I'll bite. What fundamental religious faith and values do you have in mind that were not the product of some innovation?

Fragmentation in Christianity is a feature not a bug. Christianity doesn't need uniformity or even unity to survive. What it needs is to fill as many branches on the religious tree as possible while plausibly self-reporting "Christian". Excellent observation. Ironically the Christianities...

The whole "conservatives save religion, liberals ruin it" trope is obviously psychologically necessary in conservative circles but it is not historically defensible. As the examples above and countless others illustrate, each religious innovation is an act of liberal thought. Everything...

You sure you're a Baptist? :laughing: