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ok, this has been stuck in my head for some time.. There are of course, many passages in the NT of our bible that reference "the scriptures" e.g. Matthew 22:29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. John 5:39 You study the Scriptures...

This topic can only end in squabbling, and fighting... How do I know this? Because the RCC believes "church tradition" as set down and carried out by the RCC, carries the full weight equal to that of the scriptures. So, in effect, the RCC can decree anything it feels it needs to, and it has to...

"The Catholic Church’s teaching on papal infallibility is one which is generally misunderstood by those outside the Church. In particular, Fundamentalists and other "Bible Christians" often confuse the charism of papal "infallibility" with "impeccability."" "bible Christians" oh that's so...

"...a compilation made originally by the Catholic Church.." sorry that's just not correct. ...priestly confession, Mary’s sinless life and assumption into Heaven, Indulgences, Purgatory, the Treasury of Merit, the Papal office, prayers to the (Catholic) saints...on and on and on... these...

"..by devaluing and ignoring the authority.." absolutely astounding how an entire religion was founded on 1 verse about a rock... Christ is all in all. Christ is the head of His church: now, and always "If you are not a member of the Church, then your words here are pretty much fluff and air."...

"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. "

oh, and while we're speaking about requirements for a state of salvation.. I'm curious which of these you do not subscribe to? • An individual must believe that the popes are infallible when teaching ex cathedra. • One must believe that the Bishops of Rome have been given authority by Christ to...

"Sorry, but your slam dunk went off the back of the rim!" hmm do I need to take a walk through church history and remind you of the numerous, and ofgten ungodly RCC dogmas that have since been either rescinded, or have been called into question/validity by subsequent popes/seniour leadership...

I'm gonna slam-dunk this whole debate. ready? When the RCC places "church tradition" on equal footing with the scriptures, there is no longer ANY solid basis on which to debate. </debate>

some good throne room reading.. "Let me begin by pointing out that Mary too was a bit confused by this greeting, wondering "what kind of greeting this might be" (Lk.1:29 NIV). The angel Gabriel himself responds with the explanation: "But the angel said to her, 'Do not be afraid, Mary, you...

and also, I do believe that there are RC folk who have indeed been born again.. ...whoa, talk about yer hijacked threads!

The theological leaps I've seen & heard RC folk make in order to support and defend this, and many other dogmas, is bewildering to me. But I don't let it come between myself & some RC friends..

not quite sure why I chose to spend time debating this one... My experience is such that, folk who adhere to either belief...are unmovable. </debate> Peace, R

I'm just saying, "repent and be baptised" should not be tossed aside so lightly. And arguing from silence is historically, hermaneutically perilous ground..

Ken Ranks answer pretty much says it all. I choose not to divide over it, but if you are trying to convince me that infant baptism is scriptural, and want something regularly practiced by followers of Jesus, well I don't know what to say, because it isn't. For me, it's not any more...

I'm with Ken. "My position is simple... if you want to baptize your infant, go ahead. If you think that action remits their sins when they don't even know right from wrong... well... you really can't prove that. At some point that infant will become a young adult and they will have to choose...

I don't have time to read the entirety of this thread, but I will throw in my .02 For my part, when I see the appeal to creation(not time/culture limited) verse, I have to pause and consider that there's something going on here. It is very strong and serious language that just cannot be...

sweet, thanks watching a video on their site. guy rips it up on the whistle..