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  1. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    This is an admission that you are unwilling (or unable) to engage the argument that was just laid out. I know exactly what I believe, and why. I've made a clear grammatical and logical distinction, supported it at length, and even shown how it leads to the very conclusion we both affirm. Simply...
  2. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    What other interpretations are plausible? What is the syntactic argument for their plausibility? Where have I been unclear? Can you specifically quote what portion of my argument breaks down and fails to produce the conclusion I offered?
  3. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Again, what you're describing is theological harmonization by assertion, not exegesis. Of course no single verse should be isolated from the whole of Scripture. But that principle does not license you to override the syntax of a specific text when it speaks clearly. The proper order is the...
  4. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    You still are not responding to the argument. You are changing the subject. I did not ask whether perseverance, holiness, effort, or union with God are taught elsewhere in Scripture. I asked a narrow grammatical question about this sentence: who is the referent of αὐτόν ("him") in καὶ ἀναστήσω...
  5. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    What's your point? It is an interpretation that has been argued for. I didn't argue it was a grammatical necessity. You're objecting to a position I have not taken. Again, the claim is not that my conclusion is a grammatical inevitability, but that the syntax and discourse logic of the passage...
  6. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Saying "the coming is included" is trivial. Yes, ἐλθεῖν is "included" syntactically as a complementary infinitive (i.e., it "complements" or completes the main idea). But inclusion is not identity, and it does not change what the clause asserts. δύναται is the semantic head of the clause. The...
  7. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    No. It does answer your question. διδακτοὶ θεοῦ parallels the drawing of the prior verse. This is Jesus' point. He's appealing to the OT to show the Jews that what He is declaring (that no one can come to Him unless drawn) is taught in their own Scriptures: "It is written in the Prophets, 'And...
  8. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Respectfully, if all you are doing is copying my words into ChatGPT and pasting the output, I will not continue to engage. That approach is disrespectful. I am taking the time to offer careful, reasoned responses, and you are outsourcing the work to an AI and presenting it as a substantive...
  9. Dikaioumenoi

    Appointed to Eternal Life - Acts 13:48

    There was no "acting like the ultimate Greek expert" in what I wrote. There was simply the accurate identification of a subject and its predicate in a sentence. You refuse to acknowledge the same, which means, apparently, you do not believe what Luke wrote.
  10. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    You still have yet to address my refutation of this position. Who does the "him" refer to in the clause, "and I will raise him up on the last day"? There's no disputing that it refers to those who actually come to Jesus. But who comes to Jesus? Grammatically, what is John saying here? οὐδεὶς...
  11. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    The reason why they are God-taught is not left unexplained. It is embedded in the adjective itself. Again, the expression διδακτοὶ θεοῦ does not depict a teaching merely offered, capable of being accepted or refused. For that, we would expect something like οἱ διδασκόμενοι ὑπὸ τοῦ θεοῦ ("those...
  12. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    ἐλθεῖν is a complementary infinitive. Yes, it's active, but as a complementary infinitive it "completes" the idea of the main verb, δύναται. Thus, what the drawing specifically responds to is οὐδεὶς δύναται, "no one is able." It is that lack of ability to do something that the Father's drawing...
  13. Dikaioumenoi

    Does Regeneration Precede Faith?

    What's your objection? I fail to see why you think Romans 10:8-10 contradicts what was argued in the OP.
  14. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    So you're suggesting "hearing and learning" may provide a condition to being drawn, which in turn enables one to come? How could someone who is unable to receive Christ in the first place "hear and learn"? The phrase διδακτοὶ θεοῦ ("taught by God" or "God-taught") in John 6:45 uses a predicate...
  15. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Where does the text suggest that God's drawing depends on someone not resisting Him? "No one can come unless the Father draws." Resistance is the default state. Drawing is the enabling act that changes it. The idea that God's drawing could "fail" because of human resistance reverses the logic...
  16. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    I'm not being eristic. The problem isn't "poor wording"; it's that you have consistently blurred two distinct categories: the generation of capacity and the exercise of that capacity. Your latest reply continues that confusion, as I show below. If we agree that the enablement itself is...
  17. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    You're pointing out your own incoherence. You say that one can "thwart the enablement," but then you also say "even though enabled." That's a contradiction. If the enablement has been thwarted, then it never occurred. If it has occurred, then it was not thwarted. So what do you mean, then, by...
  18. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    One does not need expert credentials to follow the syntactical case I've presented. One only needs a willingness to engage the text itself. That, so far, has been the missing ingredient in this thread.
  19. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    I'm tiring of this assertive approach of yours. I'm going to be direct with you. Your replies continue to fire off unsupported assertions while avoiding the actual point I have pressed from the beginning. You keep circling back to abstractions about "essentialism," "metaphysics," and "semantic...
  20. Dikaioumenoi

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    No... You are still collapsing two different categories that John keeps distinct. Let me lay this out again in the simplest possible terms. There are two issues: The ability to come (δύναμαι) Actually coming (implied in the resurrection clause) ἑλκύω in John 6:44 governs the first category...
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