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Thanks for your reply. I hope he is okay.

I want to contact 'Albion' and don't see a way to private message him. I've been away for a long time. Thanks.

Thank you for your post. Yes, I am familiar with the Recapitulation view, and in fact I hold to it as one way that I look at the atonement.

Yes, some Anabaptists do.

Returning to this thread, is there any denomination besides the Eastern Orthodox Church which holds Ransom/Christus Victor as its view of atonement?

No church that persecuted others had it right. That ruled out Catholics and Magisterial Protestants.

Good post. And thanks for also referencing Psalms 40:6. Isn't it ironic how some people interpret scripture literally and insist that everyone else does in every case -- until the literal interpretation says something that they don't agree with. Then they begin semantics games and such in...

Good. I'm glad to see you go then. You refuse to answer my question but demand that I answer yours. That won't work.

I suggest you read about the Recapitulation view of atonement.

The West errs by artificially separating the atonement from the incarnation and resurrection. Jesus had to die, not to be a bloodletting sacrifice to appease an angry and vindictive god, but because in His incarnation He became man to identify with humans and to reverse and overcome the curse -...

But to get there, you still must die physically. So, Jesus did not "die in your place".

Since Jesus "died in your place", you must be immortal.

You haven't answered my question. Can you?

I wish there was a mainline believers' baptism denomination church near me. I would be in it -- Baptist, Disciples, or even CBF. Do you think my views of blood sacrifice would be unacceptable in a mainline denomination?

I feel sorry for anyone who holds that view of God.

Not once has it been. I have quoted the DIRECT WORDS of GOD HIMSELF, spoken through the prophets, and Jesus. Looks like I am the only true Biblical literalist here, as you and others deny the direct words of God recorded in the Bible.

I think it is interesting that people say I don't believe what the Bible teaches on this when it is I who have quoted the VERY WORDS of God as spoken directly to and through the OT prophets, which Jesus Himself affirms in the NT, as I have pointed out. Prophetic religion is opposed to priestly...

I think all of what you wrote is very good. I enjoyed reading it. You make some valid points.

Thank you.

The OT prophets and Jesus affirm what I believe. I'll go with them. You answer my question, and I'll answer yours. Before the flood, people were vegetarians -- so, no killing of animals. Did God violate his own code?